Six weeks of jet fuel left

[Nellietheolophant]

It has been officially announced and i really don't think it's scaremongering anymore.
Both Lufhthansa and KLM are cancelling flights now.

As terrifying at it all was, looking back, I ultimately benefitted from the lack of physical interaction.

Because of my AuDHD, the social expectations of society have caused me a ton of stress over the years.

i was able to communicate with anyone remotely and I was able to wfh for more than 6 months so I didn’t leave the house during that period. And social distancing is something I genuinely miss.

However the issues with the fuel are purely practical. If not being able to go on holiday is the only freedom that’s curbed, it’s a small thing.

This is a completely different scenario. Cargo flights were still taking place during Covid. If there is no jet fuel then there will be no cargo flights.

It might benefit the British tourism industry if flights are cancelled. There are some fabulous places to visit in the UK.
Also, getting around by road is noticeably easier atm.
Just looking on the bright side.

No intention to belittle the tragedies in other parts of the world, or disregard them.

Well I guess that’s globalisation done. If no one can travel anymore then we’re back to being cobblers and farmers. When the leader of China is getting rattled about what’s going on we know it’s bad.

That would make sense but if they look to cancel until further notice, people will still be moaning

Sorry if I've missed it but could you put a link to a report of the announcement please? Thanks. I've seen the 'energy boss' item but is there more?

Or it could be that some people who are privileged enough to jet off on their holidays may have to put their plans on ice for a bit.

Although the way the orange toddler is carrying on, who knows?

This is what happens when people vote in an absolute moron to power.

Hopefully those planning on voting Reform are taking note.

No planes = quiet, yippee

Not if all the overseas visitors who were booked to visit are also unable to reach the UK due to flight cancellations, though?

According to Google AI (which is obviously never wrong) there are about 30million overseas visitors to the UK every year, and about 11m every summer. I would say that it is very very unlikely that domestic tourism can plug the gap in the hole left by these visitors, not least because the UK is very expensive and relies on wealthy tourists, whereas a lot of Brits go abroad because it is cheaper.

The Orange toddler is raking it in - Trump Inc will be coining it in in oil and gas shares and portfolios, but we mustn’t mention his/the family’s private business affairs - and the tax revenue on gas in the US will be also be massively inflated, just as it is in the UK at the moment with VAT on fuel being linked to the pump price. Trump won’t care so long as his bank account looks healthy.

Are you usually so confused about world affairs?

It’s a nice idea that it’s only holiday makers impacted. There is a huge amount of business travel still happening. My partner is one who regularly travels between premises to oversee production globally abd another casual acquaintance is basically always on an aeroplane conducting a similar role all over the world.

let’s also not forget all the food that is imported in via air. It’s not about a kids trip to Spain!

People moan about everything all the time (tiring although I have started to join them as can't beat them 😂)

I am only curious as there would be a couple of educational trips my 2 would normally go on next school year in the summer term. I' only idly curious if these may get cancelled as school cannot predict prices nor perhaps process any large booking with the unpredictable global situation.

I can understand that, and yes there were also some unexpected benefits.

Yep,.sadly this debate is is in danger of being a re-run of the discussions of 2020.

Back then there was a significant cohort who could not be shaken from their belief that every aircraft in the sky that they saw or tracked on Flightradar could only contain people going to or coming back from holiday.

Six years on and not much has changed.

How much business travel is essential though?

Slightly off topic but It always makes me laugh that the Earthshot event is attended by people all over the world who have flown in. Very environmentally friendly 🙄😊

I don’t think anyone should panic yet, in the long run it shows that we need to do something about the unstable anti west dictatorships that can close off oil supplies. We mustn’t let the narrative Iran is a reasonable country creep in here (I know certain posters would like that) it is a blood thirsty regime who would happily wipe Israel off the map, one that oppresses, tortures ands slaughters its own citizens for simply protesting the oppression. Yes some sacrifices need to be made. It’s a regime that is the Wests enemy, it hates western values, it would be happy to destroy them all.

Yes we need to increase self sufficiency in this country, this starts by shipping out everyone who shouldn’t be here, they drain our resources, stop building on green belt. Increase in uk manufacturing, Eating better and more sustainably. This means more plants less animals.

We need to adapt to using less fuel. Housing near work places. Shops near housing. Decent quality housing with enough land to grow some veg.

Cheaper, better public transport

Push home tourism. We need to start living differently with less wasteful lives.

Well that was globalisation wasn’t it? Off-shoring, European businesses having premises in developing countries to bring everyone up out of poverty. It depends how long this conflict goes on for as to how ‘essential’ business travel is, but if it’s indefinitely then businesses will close.

DH benefited hugely as well, same reasons. I benefited too, but more to do with stress- the relief of being freed from other people’s expectations.

My thoughts exactly. People couldn’t see past their own personal circumstances.

Demand reduction is the key, imo. The majority of air travel is totally unnecessary. Nice? Yes. Necessary? Rarely.

I haven’t seen any information from any government online saying there’s a crisis with aviation fuel and what they are going to do about it.

Me neither - is this info coming from reputable sources?

I suspect the same. They are going to have to try and conserve the fuel for freight.

My other thought is the more precarious this becomes the more likelihood of Trump doing something big and that worries me too. When your back is against the wall anything is on the table.

Rachel Reeves says she is confident over UK fuel supplies - BBC News

This gives a different view point?