Six weeks of jet fuel left

[Nellietheolophant]

It has been officially announced and i really don't think it's scaremongering anymore.
Both Lufhthansa and KLM are cancelling flights now.

In terms of Pharma, all the virtue signallers will be up un arms if their supply of WLI's run dry!

Then that is unfortunate but I’m sure that’s factored in. What did they do during COVID?

If everyone whose flight wasn’t essential didn’t fly then it would be a lot easier to sort this kind of thing out.

Seriously, stop with the juvenile scaremongering. Eli Lilly has manufacturing plants across Europe that could deliver by sea or train.

Wow. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 So people who think that the whole death, bombing etc is more serious than missing a fortnight in the sun are fat virtue signallers?

Surely post COVID, the one thing that industries should have learned is that we need to be able to adapt.

I am worried about war and the effect on innocent people.
I'm worried that the situation might mean we cant go on our planned holiday as it will be to see elderly parents in Australia
I'm desperately worried about the possible effect on medications as DS1 is reliant on several life-saving medications and we have experience of shortages before and how scary it can be.

People can be worried about the bigger things as well as the things that directly affect them. It's almost like we can hold a few things in our minds at once.

Yep.

if things get really serious the air transport system would have to revert to something along the lines of how it worked in Covid...

Dedicated freight flights continue, and you keep at least some passenger flights running to allow essential personnel to travel - yes that hacked a few off in 2020 but in the real world it is something that has to be facilitated. Keeping some pax aircraft flying also allows continued transport of belly freight.

I hasten to add I don't think we are looking at anything like that scenario at the moment or even short term.

Having grown up in absolute poverty, even I find it quite hard to sympathise with. My first experience of travel was at the age of 24 on a holiday that I paid for myself. My mum went abroad for the first time at the age of 42. Neither of us feel particulary deprived for not having this experience earlier in life. Holiday abroad, while nice, is not essential to enriched childhood.

That really was not their plan all along.

Their plan all along was the genocide of Jewish people and the destruction of Israel, I believe.

Quite glad thats less likely now TBH even if our holidays might cost a little more for a year or two.

Lufthansa and KLM have cancelled flights due to strike action, nothing to do with fuel availability

The danger is this stalemate.

Trump miscalculated both in terms of the Iranian response, the views of the rest of the West as to his actions. He also has created an issue with Israel. He relies on the Jewish vote and has midterms coming up, but Israel are not for stopping.

If Trump wanted to go home and claim a victory although not having agreed anything, he has this issue with Lebanon and Israel. So he is stuck a bit.

What it has taught us is that far too much reliance on goods via this route.

And if this doesn’t lift soon then yes, we will notice problems I am afraid. If the ceasefire just drifts on without conclusions but the ships cannot get through it will affect all manner of goods and services.

As china is a major oil producer, i think Temu flights will be safe!

You do realise this is a holiday forum? 🙄

🙄 Always one....

@Nellietheolophant I agree, it is a huge worry. So glad I've not got a holiday abroad booked though!

I reckon America & Israel’s strikes on Iran were a quid pro quo for getting Israel to stop bombing Gaza. We all know how Trump likes to brag about ending wars.

Surely Trump’s advisers must’ve counselled against starting this action with no aims and no exit plan? I imagine he ignored them. And how he’s trashing the world economy.

It's worth pointing out that the cost of petrol & diesel includes fuel tax of 52.95p per litre AND VAT - and the VAT is charged on the price of the fuel plus the fuel tax.
This means that:
a) we pay VAT on fuel tax
b) if fuel prices go up the government makes more revenue from VAT

So of petrol at 160p per litre - 26.7p is VAT & 52.95p is fuel tax.
The government could easily bring in a temporary cut to VAT to reduce consumer prices. Instead they are getting an extra £15 million a week in VAT as a higher price for the product = higher VAT.

It really isn't.

Getting lockdown vibes.

What???????? You broke the rules and went out to buy milk for your tea? How spoilt and entitled is that?

Any disruption to normal life is problematic especially in a hostile climate, there are lots of knock on effects including business travel. It's not just about missing out on a jolly.

Yes, the Exchequer is doing really well out of the fuel prices at present. Doubt it’ll be used to prop up the NHS or fill up the potholes, though.

Maybe that is actually Trumps aim, cut the reliance on cheap Chinese imports.

Why do people who use WLI's always have to be brought into something that has nothing to do with the original concerns and spoken about so disparagingly? What do you have against people who use WLI's?

I think it may have originally have been in the holiday forum? Or, because it is almost identical to another thread there, people (including myself) are getting confused. Had to check this was in the AIBU section as the other is def in the Holiday section.

This might wash if Israel ever stopped bombing Gaza but they haven't and they have used this war as cover for further restricting aid into Gaza and aiding their settlers in driving out all non Jews from parts of the West Bank. The devil works hard but Netanyahu works harder.

I don’t understand the news though, I’ve seen this headline, yet in the article itself, it says 10 pc of flights will be cancelled ? So it’s not running out of jet fuel but running out of jet fuel from that particular source so fuel will be tight but not gone ? Is that it .. ?

Of course you can feel sad about it as it’s personal. It’s always bad if it affects you.

But this is a global situation. Worst case scenario is they don’t get to go on their first travel experience. Disappointing on a personal level of course. I would have probably been a bit pissed off in that situation.

Long term better for the environment and thus for their futures perhaps. (although the way things are, who knows)

Having to give up a foreign trip doesn’t compare to the shit that children who are caught up in this are going through.

On Nation french news they mentioned potential meat & pharma shortage yesterday (—in a country 2 farmers commit suicide a week due to financial burden— )