Six weeks of jet fuel left

[Nellietheolophant]

It has been officially announced and i really don't think it's scaremongering anymore.
Both Lufhthansa and KLM are cancelling flights now.

As pp said some flights have been cancelled due to them not being financially viable and others due to strike action, no flights in Europe have been actually cancelled due to lack of fuel. Nothing has been “offficially announced”. Yes there is an issue. That idiot O’Leary at Ryanair has said he expects some difficulties but not mass cancellations.

although we get a lot of fuel via the straits of Hormuz a lot comes via other places and will continue to do so it’s definitely not the case that there will be none left from a particular date. Yes, individual airports can temporarily run out but airlines can work around that to some extent by refueling at other airports.

And this is what concerns you? Not the illegal war? Not the mad orange man making AI images of him being a GOD? Not the 100s of kids being bombed and murdered by Israel & US?

Nah just that Sally can’t go to Spain this year, oh boo hoo. Such a 1st world problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y97jjnqzyo

This may alleviate your concerns. Or not.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/holidays/5517880-europe-has-6-weeks-of-fuel-left?page=5&reply=151750763

@NeelaBlue

Exactly so people CAN feel both things. I’m allowed to feel sad my daughters school trip to Spain may be cancelled. Her schools in a deprived area, for some kids this Spain trip will be their first experience of travel. That doesn’t mean people don’t give a shit about the war. You don’t get to take the moral high ground because you DO care about the war 👏 and you don’t give a shit about a holiday. Well good for you!

@Clearinguptheclutter

but airlines can work around that to some extent by refueling at other airports

Now you've gone and done it...that process has been known to upset some..

I know tankering might sometimes be an option but (in normal circumstances) the authorities strongly disapprove, the airport where you uplift fuel may have their own limits and of course you are limited by aircraft weight considerations.

So, yes, it's an option that might be used as you say to some extent but it's limited.

FFS no one is saying that. Do you, for instance, decide not to go grocery shopping and live on bread and gruel because there are people, children and elderly, starving in this country? Didn’t think so - it’s just people you perceive to be wealthy enough to find the money to go on holidays that you take umbrage with.

Why are you getting arsey with people who have spent £000s in good faith 6-8m ago who now find that they will now potentially lose every penny because nearly all travel insurance policies don’t offer compensation for the effects of a war [that we are not involved in]. For some people that was their only holiday in a decade, its a special event. But even if it’s not - this may lead to the collapse of airlines, many in the travel industry, hospitality business (hotels/restaurants) in many of those countries where people will be plunged into poverty if they lose their already low paid jobs. Do you care about them? I doubt it.

Just because people are being killed in another country doesn’t mean that the implications of this upon other individuals, businesses and communities around the world isn’t also worth compassion.

Plus, there’s a rather despicable oppression of women and girls in Afghanistan going on at the moment if you are interested? Just for starters. But I guess as they haven’t started lobbing bombs at your more favoured Islamic states and aren’t Jewish you could probably care less.

For God's sake, is that your biggest problem with what's happening?

It's no surprise really. If there's lack of fuel in the world, we'll have to make cut backs. DD has just come back from a country - petrol is readily available, but people are being asked to think about if a journey is essential and use is conservatively. Also, the airline they flew back with has cancelled flights, to save fuel consumption.

I have to admit, we were on the verge of booking a foreign holiday for our 30th in September, but we've held off. We normally book everything separately, but thinking if and when we do book, we'll book a package so if flight can't take place, they'll more than likely have to refund accommodation. If we book flight and accommodation separately, I'm not sure we'd be covered on insurance for fuel or war.

The big orange buffoon started this. He has no reason except to line his and his billionaire cronies pockets. He doesn’t care about anyone else. Sadly, Nigel frog face Farage is an Orange buffoon wannabe. He will shaft our country even more.

Nearly a quarter of our oil comes from America nearly half comes from domestic supply- at least it did! The rest is from Norway and other suppliers.

Perhaps if all new builds had to have solar panels, and the prices of installing them on existing properties came down, plus perhaps nuclear power was invested in, we wouldn’t be so shafted!

The fact that this is how Iran has chosen to retaliate is really not news at all! It's kind of obvious. They've done it before, and (for the regime) it's a useful way to get your own back.
What really IS news, is Trump's absolute ignorance in not taking this into account.
And if you kick a wasps nest, then it's the wasps who will decide when it's over, not you.

Yeah that wasn't Irans doing nice try though.

Are people saying this is their biggest concern or are they saying it is a concern?

People can be angry at an illegal war and still wish for certainty regarding their plans and finances.

Why would that shock you? 🤔

@NeelaBlue

I am shocked you don’t understand people can hold two feelings simultaneously, but fair enough. Not sure how me feeling sad my daughter might miss out on her school trip equates to me not giving a shit about 165 school girls dying in Iran. Mind blowing!

Ah yes, the claims that Iran is building a nuclear bomb just to destroy Israel. That old trope.

No, that scaremongering doesn’t work. It was Israel and the US who started this. So yes, they deserve all the criticism they get.

Europe converts to buying fuel from the USA and Venezuela.

China still needs Iranian oil. Suffers economic collapse.

Europe starts buying consumer goods and plastic tat from America.

Trump declared a hero at home for restarting manufacturing industry. Job done.

At, least, that's the plan.

It’s a bit more nuanced than OP is suggesting. Stocks may be low enough by June to require flight cancellations but the UK isn’t seeing any disruption to its supplies so far.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjw2kz0l22o

Whether or not Iran has been building a nuclear bomb, they have been attacking Israel via proxies for quite a while, so saying “scaremongering” and “US & Israel started this” is really quite simplistic.

@Passingthrough123 you do realise that if tou fly to another country you are reliant on their fuel stocks to get home and with supplies being flown in!
Your little world is not just reliant on the UK.
How can you live in such a bubble?

If anything, this crisis shows we need to accelerate the shift to net zero. At least then we’re less likely to be impacted by the unilateral catastrophic actions of a demented lunatic.

If people have to forego their holidays so the fuel can be used for necessities then that’s how it is.