Six weeks of jet fuel left

[Nellietheolophant]

It has been officially announced and i really don't think it's scaremongering anymore.
Both Lufhthansa and KLM are cancelling flights now.

But people are allowed to be upset about that.

Well we are self sufficient in food we dont want

People would turn their noses up at eating seasonally locally

Luckily Im great in the kitchen and like all the food that other people think is 'boring'

Plus we dont have any foreign holidays booked this year, plus we have a wood burner with tons of wood. Although its now coming into summer

Not sure if any of my meds come by ship or flight, so I could be eating well and warm and toasty but completely ill by the end of the year.

What you have to hope is that, if you are doing short haul, airlines are able to fill up sufficiently to do round trips so that they are not reliant on fuel stocks outside the UK. I suspect the biggest impact with be on longer distances, so DS’s GF’s family are planning a trip to Singapore (where she was born and they have family) and I suspect that will now be cancelled/postponed as it is too risky to end up stranded over there.

In fairness you mentioned you were “shocked” people were upset at not getting to Spain this year when someone had posted about their child missing out on a school trip to Spain and would be disappointed a few posts up. It hardly takes a genius to figure out why that posted would feel it’s directed at them. Then again it hardly takes a genius to realise many people would be sad to miss a long planned holiday regardless of the reason why they can’t go. I was sad when I missed a holiday because I had a miscarriage and wasn’t fit for travel. It didn’t mean I wasn’t upset about the miscarriage. I was actually much more upset about that but it didn’t stop me being sad to lose my holiday. Am I shocking too?

You don’t have to be actually. Airlines prefer to refuel at destination, but they have switched back to tankering for some countries already (flying out with enough to get home) because the countries have told them not to rely on stocks when they get there.

Yes but it is the very definition of ‘first world problems’

War, death, and people are complaining that they can’t have their holidays. 🙄

Israel and America have crippled it by starting an illegal war

Wow, what a grown up response. I’m just pointing out that you are not presenting an accurate picture of the situation. Scaremongering isn’t helpful when people are already stressed about the war and its impact.

Nah, it will all be sorted out soon, no need to panic!

We are not self sufficient in food at all. I could find you loads of sources but I can't be bothered. Just Google it

You are aware that America attacked them, right? This is the logical response to being attacked by a foreign country. We might not like it and our summer holidays might suffer but people are literally dying in a war.

if you want to blame anyone for this blame Trump and his loony American politicians and Netanyahu and his genocidal obsession.

and the obvious caveat - none of this suggests the regime in Iran was anything short of
cruel and needed change but the two evils can exist at the same time and this probably wasn’t the way to go about changing it.

Yes - we are 51% self sufficient. I read it in an official report. We are embarrassingly far begind the Netherlands, Germany (81%) and France (100%).

Oh, but the govt is happy to say we are 100% self sufficient for Swedes. You know, that veg no one likes…

@CautiousLurker2

What you have to hope is that, if you are doing short haul, airlines are able to fill up sufficiently to do round trips so that they are not reliant on fuel stocks outside the UK. I suspect the biggest impact with be on longer distances, so DS’s GF’s family are planning a trip to Singapore (where she was born and they have family) and I suspect that will now be cancelled/postponed as it is too risky to end up stranded over there.

Exactly.

It might be possible to tanker enough fuel to do a round trip without refuelling on the turn but only if we are talking short sectors and subject to other factors such as the various weight limits.

There's no chance of that being a possibility in the Longhaul world.

Plus aviation companies will rightly prioritise cargo flights over commercial ones IF the situation becomes that dire.

Yes indeed. Unfortunately however the US administration couldn't summon the necessary brain power.

It's usually different companies though...for example DHL don't do passengers, OTOH BA (well mainline) don't do cargo only.

We are a long long way from this but any decision to stop passenger flying in favour of cargo would I suspect have to be made at government level.

Absolutely. All the reserves of fuel should be put towards essentials. Passenger flights should be the last thing they are concerned about.

As far as sacrifices go, it’s not exactly World war 2 rationing. So you have to cancel your holiday? Disappointing but there are bigger things going on within this situation.

It's disappointing if you a holiday cancelled, but as we all know there are far worse things.

The main thing is medical supplies as we can't just hand out alternatives (there's a potential problem there anyway, as some come from Iran). Food wise, we won't starve, but we would need to make adjustments in terms of what we eat and some portion sizes. Putting aside the current situation, I'm a strong believer, we need to become as self sufficient as we can, but that takes times.

These countries are being bombed, people are dying and you’re worried you can’t fly KLM for a mini break?

Absolutely. The fact people are more concerned about their holidays bears out my belief that people in general are only concerned about self.

People being killed? Meh. Missing out on our fortnight in Alicante? OMG that is terrible.

What if an engineer from the UK who works overseas to keep production running, cannot get there!
People do not just travel for holidays@

Pathetic isn’t it. In terms of impact, it’s tiny. If that is the worst sacrifice we have to
make then I figure we are lucky!

100% true I work in pharma logistics