To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

A guy where? Do you have a link, please?

Was this on social media?

Chinny reckon.

Ex military

What is his name, do you know? Pp hasn't come back, a link would be helpful?

Why does anyone need to apologise?

How about for spreading misinformation?

For contributing to a harmful and dangerous narrative that the police are conspiring against the public?

For contributing to the harmful and dangerous narrative that immigrants are a threat?

For contributing to making life just that little bit harder for anyone who's not white?

For making false allegations?

No?

Andrew Jaoc, search for him on Facebook

Oh right - a fourth gang rape is reported in a few months and the police start behaving oddly at a time at a time when confidence in the police and the government to keep women safe is at an all time low and it’s all our fault. Ok.

What ‘misinformation’ are you claiming has been spread? The police haven’t confirmed anything yet 🤷‍♀️

Figures are hard to get hold of but the following FOIA request to the Metropolitan police shows that between 2010 and 2018 there were nearly 3,500 gang rapes in their area.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/gang_rape_statistics

So, very unfortunately, 4 gang rapes in a few months are nothing unusual, except gross underreporting of what is actually going on every day.

Thank you for that information - that is quite a horrifying thought, that gang rape is so endemic that it doesn’t even get reported. Still, the reporting of four (allegedly or with convictions by recent or possibly longer term migrants - countries of origin including Egypt and Iran) a few months

The over representation of men from Eastern Europe was interesting but not surprising given that pre Boriswave, most immigration came from the EU.

There was also also noteable representation from Nigeria, Somalia and Ghana compared to the total within the population. Sweden, France and Australia are also over represented. Sweden and France were much earlier than us with high levels of non EU migration so it would be useful to know if these perpetrators had recently acquired citizenship or not. The figure from Australia are a bit of a conundrum.

The most surprising (but positive) result though, unless I’m reading it wrong, was that only 17.5% of the rape gang suspects originate from the UK. (1345 UK suspects as a percentage of the total suspects of 7677). Can someone have a look and check that for me?

That makes 82.5% of gang rapes carried out by men originating from outside the UK. We don’t know where 75% of them are from as they are marked as ‘unknown’ but given that UK police and the CPS have full access to British perpetrators records, they appear to be not from here.

All of this. I'm shocked re Eastern Europe : I'm partly Polish myself and wasn't aware of a gang rape culture in Eastern Europe generally.

Sometimes I feel the world would be so much better if women were the only ones,somehow, physically able to migrate or fight in wars. War crimes would be severely cut if wars were only fought by female soldiers.

Ditto all these migrant assaults...

It’s horrifying data, but I’m sure someone will come along in a moment calling the data racist, and demanding it apologises.

That makes 82.5% of gang rapes carried out by men originating from outside the UK. We don’t know where 75% of them are from as they are marked as ‘unknown’ but given that UK police and the CPS have full access to British perpetrators records, they appear to be not from here.

I don't think you can make any such assumption. Unrecorded is unrecorded.

I think it is a very reasonable assumption. I will explain my reasoning.

In a UK police station, country of origin is one of the easiest and most reliable things to identify about a British suspect. Our records from birth are easily accessible to the police. They do not need to rely on the suspects being forthcoming.

The government has long been very coy about crime stats by country of origin while trying to reassure us that men originating from outside the UK are not more of a risk than British men.

If they knew that would be backed by the data, they would ensure the data was produced and readily available to the public.

This would save a lot of the issues of worry and unrest we are currently seeing. But it doesn’t, so they don’t.

So maybe you could attribute some of the lack of information simply to poor record keeping, it would be unjustly harsh (imo) to claim that police are so incompetent they fail to record important information in 75% of cases.

It’s an interesting set of data though - I wonder what the relative numbers would look like now, 8 years on. Also quite horrifying this is just numbers from the Metropolitan police area.

It seems that the whole report was false just to create social media posts. 🤷‍♀️

https://mol.im/a/15746259

That’s Kent - not this case

Oh that’s interesting. So this woman never went to the police. Instead there was a post/series of posts that were made alleging an attack. It spread like wildfire, probably being embellished as it was passed on, people believed that a woman had been attacked and surmised it could have been recent arrivals to the country. The woman was pulled in to be interviewed and she has now been arrested.

That’s not Epsom!

“Despite not receiving a direct report to the force about the alleged offence, officers have conducted initial inquiries based on the information available.
“At this time, we have found no evidence to suggest the offence took place.

“It is important the local community is assured that we take allegations of this nature seriously and those responsible for the social media post have been spoken to directly.
“This has resulted in the arrest of a woman in her 20s on suspicion of wasting police time. She has since been released on bail pending further inquiries.
“I want victims of sexual assault and rape to know we will take their reports seriously, we will carry out a full and thorough investigation, and we will provide them with the support they need.”

She never went to the police but was arrested for wasting police time. They provided her with all support she needed by arresting her.

Are people getting two cases mixed up, it seems so

Ffs - there is now another poster being shared for a meetup in Epsom to demand answers to the police coverup. Demanding answers as to why information is being withheld. That said they haven’t actually managed to get tomorrows date right on the poster…..

Completely different & unrelated case.

Nowhere near Epsom

It’s a different case though. The FB case is in Kent.

The Epsom case is still ongoing. The link about a woman being arrested is a different one.

I am sure people just don’t read beyond headlines anymore and make up scenarios that they think relate to the story being reported on. The Daily Mail does this all the time, clickbait, for all
sort of articles. I think we have lost the ability to read deep, we skim read for a nano second and think we have taken in all the details, we know all about it. We don’t. That’s how misunderstandings and conflicts happen. Some stories are trivial but a lot of important stuff gets misrepresented because people knee jerk their way into forming an opinion or making a comment. I am as guilty of doing this as the next person. It is a side effect of screens. We are too reactive and not reflective.

They’re saying now no evidence that the offence took place as reported