To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

https://www.gmp.police.uk/news/greater-manchester/news/news/2025/june/three-men-handed-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-offences-against-underage-girl-groomed-over-social-media/

BBC News - Six men from 'depraved' Bolton grooming gang jailed - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

Yeah you're talking nonsense. White men commit gang rape too.

Love the name @EilonwyWithRedGoldHair

They always are collateral damage for these human experiments.
Life has changed, it used to be rare that you were followed down the street. No, you dare not to catch a strangers eye.
Mass immigration has definitely had an impact on women’s safety and the lawless drug use among citizens increasing violence isn’t helpful to us either.

I think that you are correct and while I'm not saying this specifically about anybody posting here, I very much do think that there really are people who think that middle-aged white male racists are less good than non-white, asylum-seeking, non-British migrant rapists. I truly do. Mind-boggling, isn't it?

What the jeff is going on here? Some rescuer complex? Love is all they need?

(Which is, of course, racist in itself because it implies that these migrants can't help being like this, poor things, if only they had the love of a good woman and we taught them proper values. Good luck with that.)

Is that what it is?

I would rather be in a room with the British male racists.
That is NOT to say I would necessarily agree with their views but hey well obviously they are the much, much lesser of the two evils.
Well to me they are anyway.

i thought they were doing a press conference sometime today. Maybe I remembered incorrectly.

Surely population groups are just as much socially constructed as race groups?

What's the difference bewteen a population group and a race?

(You introduced the concept of population group so you can distinguish it from what you meann by race)

How old are you? Because I grew up in the 80s and 90s in a relatively rural and very white part of the UK. I absolutely was always aware of the risk of being followed, it happened more than once. I was scared to get evening buses and would sit next to adult women even if there were double seats available because otherwise a random man would sit next to you. Once I had to climb over seats as he wouldn't let me out at my stop. There are too many incidents in my childhood and early adulthood to mention. I have never felt safe to catch a strange man's eye.

That's not racist. I'm white and almost hope they are white also as it won't start riots!

In the post I responded to PP mentioned DNA profiles.

They highlight population groups not race. I did not introduce the concept of population groups. The person discussing DNA did.

Well that's remarkably obtuse.

His parents were Rwandan. If they hadn't been here and he hadn't been born here the atrocity in Southport would not have happened.

So migration was a direct factor.

Maybe you ‘heard’ but you didn’t bother checking before posting this did you?

Two seconds of googling would have shown you there are no asylum seeker hotels in Epsom.

Well thank God for that. Its just some white men on a gang rape spree, nothing worth disrupting the traffic for. Basically if they are white they get a pass!!!!

I'm really pleased they got justice unlike many of the Rotherham victims because authorities were too scared to do anything about it for fear of being called racist.

Actually the government does bear some reponsibility throught its actions - or inactions

You were very keen to help and offered up your helping services. I said what are the first few links on your Google search engine when you ask the question I posed, as apparently my Google was faulty. Now you’re telling me all the reasons why you can’t help 🤦🏻‍♀️

To be fair I asked ChatGPT the question of whether Google can be censored and it did pretty much explain what is probably going on and it’s not directly Google. It suggested the news articles have probably been written in a way where either the parents birth origin is considered sensitive and so has not been mentioned. It also talked about algorithms making the top hits ‘trusted news sources’.

I do find it interesting that The Guardian is often the first news link given when I’ve asked questions about the news. ChatGPT did it recently too when I was asking about a news story a few days ago. Why is The Guardian being offered up so readily when it’s as left bias, as the Mail is right bias?

It’s not obtuse. It’s a statement of fact. He wasn’t a migrant.
What is obtuse is your suggestion that anybody with an immigrant parent becomes an immigrant themself and their actions become down to “immigration”.

It’s a complete red herring to mention migration when discussing AR. He was born, raised and socialised here.

I never mentioned ‘population groups’ that was your term.

By that logic "government" would never be responsible for anything.

So "government" isn't responsible for the NHS or for defence or for the payment of pensions?

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Two seconds of googling would no doubt give you a Guardisn link that would tell you fuck all.

I did not say you used the term. But you discussed DNA results. That directly introduces the topic of population groups not race.

And the previous poster has asked you to explain that to her.

Well done GMP. Imagine if they had put the same diligence into the Pakistani grooming gangs. Imagine!!

Now you’re telling me all the reasons why you can’t help 🤦🏻‍♀️

I haven't done that at all. I just explained why I asked the question I did.🤷‍♀️

That makes zero sense. How can you compare “the NHS” to an individual committing threatening acts? How does that analogy work in your head.

Okay. Push all of that to one side. What links does Google give you when you enquire as to the Stockport killer’s parents nationalities? Are you getting The Guardian number one and the BBC number two?