To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

There’s overlap on attitude. Nothing to see here, don’t talk about it.

Of course it wouldn't. Everything is being censored and silenced and it's all a big conspiracy by them up top.

You think i have special settings on my google? What does your google bring up. Screenshot the first page when you type in ‘Axel Rudakubana where were his parents from?’ I get a load of left wing nonsense.

I attribute blame to perpetrators of actions.

Not “government”.

I asked where his parents were from. Very straightforward question I thought.

You said that upthread.

I cannot comment on what is creating a problem with your Google.

But mine is working just fine.

I was just clarifying as you seemed to think I “want” to lay blame “somewhere”.

Pmsl. It’s feeding you left wing nonsense and you’re happily gobbling it up 🤣. I’d like my news more centric and accurate please.

It’s “left-wing nonsense” to say Rudakabuna was not a migrant and his parents fled Rwanda?

Ok.

You don’t want to blame the larger picture for the actions of individuals. We are in agreement there for sure.

It’s the same potato, potarto argument.

Eh?

What are you on about? You are making zero sense. I blame people for their behaviour. That’s it. Nothing about “not wanting to” anything.

Well no. Him not being a migrant is a simple statement of fact.

I mean...

They're asking if anyone seen or spoke to a woman in distress. Which is odd, not witnesses to the attack or suspicious behaviour, just witnesses of the aftermath. Maybe she hasn't been able to give a description herself due to the trauma. Maybe they already know who the perps are and only need witnesses to confirm the impact on the woman.

But the suspects in the train case were in custody (had been arrested) at the point the statement was released. So - once the police had arrested the individuals, they were able to provide a statement on their nationality and/or ethnicity. In this case, nobody has (yet) been arrested for the horrific event, and the police are probably in the process of reviewing hours of CCTV from local houses/shops.

Two completely different scenarios (in custody/not in custody).

I personally don't expect the police to immediately release details about suspects they do not have enough evidence on to arrest - particularly if, at this point in time, the perpetrators are stupid enough to think they have gotten away with it, and haven't disposed of any evidence (such as clothing they were wearing). I expect the police will release a CCTV image in the next few days/weeks if they are unable to identify the perpetrators anyway.

Clearly you have one of those “Left-Wing Google” too.

I think the point they were making is it’s incorrect to claim descriptions are only released when the person is non-white which is what the other PP was claiming.

Tom cats do, but obviously that’s beside the point.
My heart goes out to the victim and hope she getting as much help as she needs, obviously nothing will magically make it better.

"Yet the Guardian has learned that the Cardiff-born teenager, whose Rwandan parents moved to Britain in 2002, had developed a deep and dark interest in extreme violence, spending hours researching genocide and watching graphic videos of murder.

“He was absolutely obsessed with genocides,” said one senior official. “He could name every genocide in history and how many people were killed – Rwanda, Genghis Khan, Hitler. It’s all he wanted to talk about.”Rudakubana had a closer connection to genocide than most other British youths: his father, Alphonse, is thought to have fought with the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA), an armed force that battled the Hutu-dominated regime in Rwanda and eventually brought an end to the mass ethnic killings of 1994.

Alphonse, now 49, is reported to have been an RPA officer, possibly relatively senior, based in neighbouring Uganda, where his family are thought to have fled well before the genocide. One source said Alphonse had acquired significant military experience"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/20/axel-rudakubana-a-ticking-timebomb-who-murdered-three-girls-in-southport

Faux ignorance. I don’t make any sense. Yet judging from the huge amount of positive emoticons my posts are getting on these threads, I’m assuming other people understand my posts and agree with them.

@JHound we import criminals all the time unfortunately.

He may not have been born a British citizen though - it's not automatic. His parents were granted asylum in 2002 and 2003 - I think it depends on whether they had limited leave to remain status at the time of his birth or indefinite leave to remain.

White men obviously carry out majority of attacks as they are majority population. Finding out the propensity to commit violent crime on a pro rata basis is more tricky and definitely doesn't show ethnic white men as more likely to commit violent crime - quite the opposite - I suggest a quick Google search might answer the question. Unfortunately the MofJ does not disclose records on crime statistics by immigration status.