To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

It shows how the ability to minimise threat is at every level, similar to threads on here, and the girls and women are not considered.

Hence all the failings that led to an extreme crime.

Well now you know the name of the acts go Google it yourself instead of being lazy and expecting others to do it for you.
And yes it did mean that those coming on small boats would be deported as they had no visa and no ability to claim asylum
And yes labour scrapped those parts of it

Yes indeed. And the same group of men that Farage says he will work with to deport asylum seekers, including women and children.

The average price of a house in Epsom is £710k. So, it’s quite a wealthy area. Not many “underclass’. Best let the police do their job.

Again I’m not sure. Those ancestry DNA results can trace people back to certain tribes. Difference is literally in the DNA.

There were many failures about Southport but I don’t see the relevance to Epsom or how “threats to girls and women” are minimised.

Exactly. Population groups exist. Race does not.

The parameters of racial identity are something society created.

They don’t want people to have that data so they won’t collect it.

How so?

“ “ doesn’t do it anymore. The victims usually are girls and women.

And you see threads on here preferring the systems that prioritise men.

Farage will never get past the red tape to make that happen. This immigration gravy train is making lots of people a lot of money and they will fight tooth and nail to leave it just the way it is.

Why blame government for the behaviour of those who cause people like PP to feel threatened? People have a choice for how they react in response to immigration levels and they alone are to blame for that choice.

I don’t think there was anything suggesting Rudakabuna was especially a threat to women and girls?

Because the perpetrator was not a migrant.

Because people are stupid idiots when left to their own devices. Look at countries that have no functional police force. It’s well reported that people drag out whoever they have decided is responsible and set fire to them. You can’t leave people to act sensibly or responsibly all on their own. We need rules and laws to act well and the government are responsible for that framework and they have failed.

Wasn’t he the child who’s family fled Rwanda?

Henry...Fetch the water?

Ok well I blame the individuals who make me feel threatened. Not the nebulous “government”.

He was a threat that was clear. More often than not victims are girls or women. It’s violent men who attack women usually.

All the systems people defend and the failings at every level made it possible.

He was not a migrant. His parents were (refugees) but he was not. So the Southport murders had nothing to do with migration.

Wow. Fair game. Yet the possibility that if they move to the UK British women won't also be seen as fair game is downplayed.

I think that some people-including women on this thread - have this magical thinking that all that has to happen is that men from cultures such as this can move to the UK and the 'love and care' they receive from the British will rehabilitate them in some way.

It's crazy to me. I genuinely don't get it. Am I cynical or just a realist.

It puts me in mind of the people who rehome vicious dogs.
All they need is love and a good home and all will be OK somehow.
While people like me are thinking they're being very stupid.

I hate to say it because while I know of men who believe 'love is all they need', it is in my experience women who are more likely to believe this.
Sorry but it's my experience.
It's some kind of rescuer complex? Is that what it is? I'll rescue this savage male and tame him?
I'm just trying to work out why women who would welcome men from truly, truly misogynistic countries are so different from me who would keep them well away from the UK.

Agree there were multiple failings with him at every level. I just think it’s a completely different set of failings to what is being discussed on this thread.

Do you know what’s really weird. Google wouldn’t give me that answer to that question. It had been censored. I had to ask ChatGPT who was also quite guarded about its reply. That’s given me chills. We are already being censored when we ask uncomfortable questions.

It must be your Google.

Oh I can completely understand where you want to attribute blame, it’s pretty much the premise of this thread, but also like the premise of this thread the net has to be cast wider to understand it properly.