To suspect police are worried about vigilantes - Epsom attack

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I live relatively close to Epsom and so this appalling assault is all over my news feeds and social media.

BBC News - Town left in shock by appalling rape outside church
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dl5yevjg9o

The police have asked for witnesses but no descriptions have been given. Cue lots of very disturbing posts and comments from people who very clearly think these men are not white.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios where this is not being disclosed but, based on the comments, I think it all comes down to fears that local communities will take it on themselves to "apprehend" anyone who even vaguely looks like the perpetrators? And while the comments I am seeing are mostly white people being disgusting in their assumptions about brown and black people, i can imagine police would he equally concerned if, for example, the woman was Asian or Black and her attackers were white.

Is this where we are at? Where people make horrible racist assumptions and/or where police have to worry about how they will protect the broader community if they give any details of criminals?

No, but several have blamed it in an effort to get a lenient punishment for their heinous crimes. That means either they are telling the truth and their culture is repulsive, or they are liars and snakes blaming others for their own evil.

Poor OP. Making a post that hoped for better.

doing something about it like deporting every single small boat crosser, but labour scrapped that law the moment they came into power.

link?

The law is referenced below.

Is that what you got from that? That the sympathy would be with the rapist?

It was just telling that Neeson received sympathy for espousing that after his friend was attacked he wanted to go out and beat up a completely innocent man solely due to his skin colour.

Where?

Nearest town to where I grew up has case 13 year old raped in local well know family friendly busy park in day time- I knew the area and thought odd police were very cagey about suspect.

It's an area that has a large well establish asian population for most of my life who have a low crime rate - they were very much part of the community and no-one in area was pointing fingers at them at all.

Lots of outside press was saying police were being coy to avoid racial tensions. The local comments were it was an refugee and there an issue with some refugees behavior in local area - which gets called out as racists by wider public and lots predict it will be a white man and likely it's not all it seems and they'll be no conviction (I assume they though 13 year old was lying or near her in age or as some suggested and a misuderstood situtaution went too far rather than a violent attack etc) .

Get to trial it's an Afghanistan refugee very much an adult ie nearer 30 than teens years who gets convicted and it's decribed as a very violent attack.

Most men in the country are white so suspect most rapist will be white but all the discorse around the above situation just makes me suspious about reporting and deflecting.

There's been a few similar cases where reporting round similar case swith simliar asylum seeking men where local peopel being upset is reported and even treated like they are all racists rather than actually conserned about daughter or wives safety. Reminds me of Rochdale - where they threw young girls under the buss becuase it was poltcially awkward who the perpetrators were - but the denial of the issues just fed the far right.

Hopefully they'll catch these men whoever they turn out to be in this case.

Scroll down someone posted it

It’s ok - I will wait for the person who made the claim to post a link.

Yes. I vaguely remember a mass attack on lone women by a crowd of men in I think, Egypt and the description used of these women, conveying how they were thought of by those attackers, was 'public women'. That placed them in a category outside of women who were chaperoned by husbands or male relatives when out and about and made them fair game. They were if I remember correctly journalists from Europe or America reporting on a demonstration or uprising.

Who has said that? Which posts?

Ok - if you say so, it must be true.

Here you go @JHound

This thread alone highlights why nothing will change and why nothing can get done. We can’t talk about one situation and how to solve it, or at least come up with strategies to try and help solve it, without eulogising about The West and the history of geopolitics, colonialism, stolen land, the drug trade and god knows what else.

We are in an era of zero personal responsibility. Anyone that might have to take accountability for their actions immediately blames oppression and victimhood to absolve themselves. But what about the years of war and violence my ancestors had to endure? Won’t you think of that and stop thinking about the egregious crime I’ve just committed. I couldn’t help myself, it was the voices. We’re all sick of it. Take responsibility and do better.

The Southport enquiry shows how this reaches every level. Girls ended up being the victims. Women and girls usually are.

Not really. Race doesn’t exist. (Or rather parameters of racial identity are socially constructed people can change “race” simply by moving country.)

That does not mean people don’t perceive race and treat people accordingly. Hence why said policies exist.

Yes, within three weeks of the election. I posted about it upthread at 13 15.

The problem is a lack of facts.

Nobody is collecting proper data on whether certain groups of men are more likely to offend or not. If they’re not, we can easily dispel the myth. If they are, then we need to look closely at who we are letting live in our country, in addition to our (white or non white) home grown offenders.

The fact this isn’t happening is fuelling the fire, because uncertainty breeds suspicion and people can make inaccurate or false statements as nobody can dispel them.

There does, admittedly, seem to be an awful lot of ‘asylum seeker’ rape cases compared to how many asylum seekers we have. But it’s difficult to know if it’s an underreporting issue unless we have hard data.

A) That’s not a link
B) That law excerpt does not say what you claimed.

When did we have a law that “every single small boat crosser was deported?”

Edit:

Had to go looking. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/illegal-migration-bill

Referring to the Rwanda / 3rd country option. Labour rolled back parts of it as it seemed to contravene our obligations under international law (we will have to change how we incorporate international to make such items legal.)

Women and girls are always a cheap price paid to accommodate what ‘society’ wants. If men come from a more misogynistic country, then logic dictates they are more likely to be misogynistic. Otherwise who is doing the misogyny..?

The same powerful group that was originally funded and supported by the Americans to fight the Russian occupation of Afghanistan - by a coincidence.

Southport had nothing to do with migration or men coming from misogynistic countries.

I am ethnically Indian. The environment we are now living in is becoming quite toxic and dangerous. My wider family are experiencing considerably more racism when they are out and about and my kids (early 20s and half Indian/English) were recently questioned as to what they were doing here in their local Morrisons (the town has a hotel which was then housing asylum seekers). Any criminal act by anyone not white is being used now to create an impression that communities are under siege by anyone who does not look like them. The data does not in any way support this and my family have lived here, paid taxes and contributed via the NHS for over forty years. We live in dangerous times and it is getting worse.

I see this as indicative of a failure of government. We had an well established, assimilated population of people who were born outside of the U.K. who now do not feel safe, because successive governments have allowed unfettered migration and communities have changed as a result. There is more tension as people pour in to the country and so racism has increased and the potential for civil unrest has increased.

i think these are very uncertain times.

A second generation Rwandan? Nothing to do with migration?