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AIBU to wonder what work are expecting me to do?

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FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 11:59

I've worked at my current employer for 3 years and recently had a change in circumstances (in February) which means I have no childcare for my 3 children after school for 1-2 days out of the week. They have been understanding and accomodated my needs so far but have asked me to look at what realistic options are available and have called a meeting for next week to discuss, as the situation is not sustainable long term. I'll outline the facts below, please read carefully because it's not as simple a solution as most people seem to think.

  • I work 8.30 - 5pm Monday to Friday and it takes me 30 mins to get to and from work.
  • My husband works 8 - 4.30 Monday to Friday, his office is an hour away and he works from home on Thursdays and Fridays. Soon to be 3 days a week. He used to work nights, so would drop off and pick up the kids each day, however the strain on family life, our relationship, his mental health was not sustainable and he had numerous breakdowns over a long period of time and he changed jobs. Not ideal but I won't make my husband do a job he hated when it made him want to kill himself every day. He can be quite volatile and in the past this has affected work when he last left for periods of time so I've been left to sort the kids 100% of the time, at times. Work know things are rocky and my line manager thinks I should leave him but this would only make the situation more difficult.
  • Our kids are 3, 5 & 9. The 3 & 5 year olds attend the same school/nursery and the 9 year old attends a different school.
  • 2 out of the 3 kids have special needs and are settled in their schools. They previously attended the same primary school but had serious issues so we had to move them.
  • Both schools have breakfast club, 1 starts at 7.50 and the other at 8.10, this obviously means I am often 10 mins late to work on the days they are in club.
  • Neither school has ANY after school provision.
  • We unfortunately live in an area where wrap around care isn't in demand, so options are pretty non existent.
  • There are no childminders in the area that currently or are willing to pick up from either/both of their schools.
  • Their are a couple of local nurseries that do after school club and they collect the kids from school and walk back to their premises. 1 of my kids is a flight risk so I do not feel comfortable with this as an option. He has escaped and ran off from his old school twice before.
  • We cannot afford a nanny, prices are between £15 - 20 and hour when I have enquired and tbh, given my kids additional needs, I don't think anyone would last a week with them, they are VERY full on.
  • My dad can collect the kids 1 day a week at an absolute push but it's his only day off and if he has plans it's not a given he can do it, I don't expect him to plan his life around MY kids. My dad works the other 4 days a week and my mom doesn't work but has stopped driving for health reasons so cannot pick them up and she is not physically able to walk/get the bus etc and as previously stated, 1 of them is a flight risk and she wouldnt be able to run after him if needed. A taxi for her to pick them up and go back to hers would be far too expensive multiple times a week as she has done this once before in an emergency and it was £30 for one pick up, let alone 2.
  • There are no other parents at either of their schools that we know well enough to ask. We have no other friends or family in the area at all, aside from my mom and dad.
  • So far, on days where my husband is in the office, I finish work at 14:40, pick up the kids from school and then log on at home for the remainder of the day, sometimes beyond 5pm.
  • I am a supervisor and our team is growing and I will be responsible for up to 12 people eventually so work are saying I cannot effectively supervise if I am not in the office. We also have a lot of new team members (one being another supervisor) who are not fully trained so things tend to fall to shit a lot of them time if I am not there.
  • Not to toot my own horn but i am the glue that holds the entire team together, and effectively, if I were to leave because I need more long term flexibility, they would be absolutely fucked. My line manager and our department manager knows this all too well, but are still pressuring me to find some magical solution that doesn't exist so I can be there 8.30-5 every single day. They've not said they will get rid of me, and I don't think they would, but they're saying I need to work my hours I am employed to do. I agree with this and have no issues with that, I've often said I will taken leave, take the time unpaid etc and they have always said no.
  • I could put in a flexible working request to reduce my hours 1-2 days a week, but it would actually be a waste of time, as they can and would refuse it for a legitimate business reason.

I don't know what to do or what I'm supposed to say during this meeting. If you've thought of something I haven't explored above then please please let me know. I'm obviously going to explain all of the above in detail about what I've looked into and why it's not a viable option and see what they say. I'm also considering telling them I'm looking else where for something more flexible in the hope that they back down, but I don't actually want to leave, I really do enjoy working there and don't want to jump ship and end up being somewhere I don't like, or having to take a pay cut that I can't really afford.

OP posts:
TakeALookAtTheseSwatches · 10/04/2026 17:25

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 15:19

I do for the eldest. I've recently submitted an application for the middle after school have started the referral process.

Op I'd say this is going to be your solution, the DLA from both kids will have to cover some sort of SEN nanny (if such a person exists) if not then I would genuinely consider one of you giving up work and claiming carers allowance.

Hobbitfeet32 · 10/04/2026 17:29

im curious to know household income where you can be in an important full time job with husband also working full time, made a choice to have 3 children but cannot afford wrap around care for 2 days a week. Even without any additional needs 3 children are always going to cost money and be challenging in terms of managing full time work

CDTC · 10/04/2026 17:33

I have sympathy for your situation but if you really have no viable childcare option you're going to have to hand your notice in. I had to do the same and get a night job 3 nights a week (36 hours).

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:39

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 13:16

Its a potential option, I will ask my husband to propose it to his work, the only thing to consider is the extra hours he would spend travelling to and from the office, and the cost of fuel. Will weigh it up as an option though.

I already am so busy I don't take a lunch break. I do a working lunch regularly. If I do go out, it's to the shop round the corner to buy a drink or a snack and I can't remember the last time I did that. My work don't care about that though and wouldn't "count" my working lunch hours towards working hours.

id you really are as indispensable as yoj sau

then make sure to say I want this this and this. I can’t work without so and so

theyll agree if they really need you. So you can go in a just say I want this. I can’t do it

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 17:42

Hobbitfeet32 · 10/04/2026 17:29

im curious to know household income where you can be in an important full time job with husband also working full time, made a choice to have 3 children but cannot afford wrap around care for 2 days a week. Even without any additional needs 3 children are always going to cost money and be challenging in terms of managing full time work

The thread is not really about that tbh. Circumstances and situations change.

OP posts:
PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:45

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 14:19

But no one does cover for me cos they're incapable. Things get left for when I am back. One of the team (reports to the new supervisor) was off last week and she came back and is absolutely drowning because he's not covered any of her work. I've stepped on and covered the bits I can but I wouldn't do any of my own work if I were to does daily.

I'm not a lazy person expecting to be able to do whatever I want and everyone to just accept it and get on with it or pick up the pieces when I am off.

I beat myself up daily over not being at work all of the time. I've actually got a rare day off today with the kids and I'm sat here keeping an eye on my work phone and responding to emails to help the team out so they don't have to go to the department manager with queries.

Yea

you need to stop doing this tuff and also stop not taking lunches

your roll is never that bad

Motheranddaughter · 10/04/2026 17:47

keepincool · 10/04/2026 15:07

Well luckily for you OP they can't put a blanket ban on flexible working:

Re‑frame the problem before the meeting
Right now, work are treating this as:
“You need to find childcare so you can do your contracted hours.”
What it actually is:
“A permanent change in caring responsibilities that intersects with an employer’s legal duties around flexible working, carers, and discrimination by association.”

That doesn’t mean the employer must agree to anything you ask - but it does mean:

  • They must consider solutions reasonably
  • They must consult properly
  • They must explore alternatives, not just say “be here 8.30–5 every day or else”

This is explicitly set out in Acas guidance and UK law. [acas.org.uk], [gov.uk]

Employees can request flexible working from day one
Employers must consult before refusing
Refusal must be based on evidence, not preference or convenience [acas.org.uk], [gov.uk]
Even if they ultimately say no, they must:

  • Discuss alternatives
  • Explain why each alternative doesn’t work
  • Saying “you must be in the office 8.30–5 every day” without exploring adjusted patterns is not reasonable handling.

Two of your children have additional needs. Under the Equality Act, you are protected from being treated unfavourably because of your association with disabled dependants.
That includes:

  • Rigid working patterns that disproportionately disadvantage you
  • Pressure that would not be applied to someone without caring responsibilities

This is well‑established in guidance from Carers UK and Working Families. [carersuk.org], [workingfam...ies.org.uk]

You don’t need to say “discrimination claim”. You can say:
Because two of my children have additional needs, some childcare options that might be available to other families aren’t safe or appropriate. I need us to factor that into what is reasonable.” That is factual, not confrontational.

At the meeting, don't spend the whole time re‑explaining why nurseries, childminders, taxis and nannies won’t work. You've already done that.
Instead, say something like:
“I have explored all reasonable childcare options locally. There is no safe, affordable or sustainable after‑school care available for two days a week. This is not a temporary issue, and it’s not one I can personally fix.”
That shifts the conversation from “try harder” to “ok, what can work at work?”

What you can realistically put on the table (practical options)
Go in with work‑based solutions, not childcare solutions.

Option A: Formalise what’s already happening

  • Leaving at 14:40
  • Logging back on
  • Working her full hours / beyond

You could propose:

  • Two fixed days a week with adjusted hours
  • Being contactable and accountable during those times
  • Clear cover / escalation arrangements

This aligns with Acas guidance that flexibility can include partial changes, not all‑or‑nothing

Option B: Compressed or staggered hours
Example:

  • 8.00–4.30 on childcare days
  • Longer days on others to balance hours

This is explicitly recognised as a form of flexible working under UK law.

Option C: Role‑based adjustment* *(not demotion)
If they argue supervision requires presence:

  • Could certain supervisory duties be anchored to office days?
  • Could deputy cover be formalised?
  • Could training responsibilities be scheduled on core days?

Employers must consider role adaptations, not just raw hours, before refusal.

It might be worth a chat with ACAS prior to the meeting if you can?

Edited

It’s normally not difficult for an employer to find a reason not to allow flexible working

AltitudeCheck · 10/04/2026 17:47

I think you need to go into this meeting thank them for the understanding they have shown so far and be clear that your now realise you will need adjustments on a longer term basis.

Don't give all the details of what yoive considered that won't work, start with what you can do and offer them a choice of how to arrive at that, a flexible working request or reduction in hours or looking for alternative work outside the company and discuss your notice period. Say if you expect this to improve, when kids start school/ change to same school as older child etc.

Can you be contactable remotely in emergencies on the mornings you can't do the full hours for example?

Loub1987 · 10/04/2026 17:49

Ultimately OP, no one can tell you what to do or what will be accepted. Sit down look at the care needs, map out what you need and request it. Look at small things like reducing your lunch from 1 hour to 20 mins for example. Then have a frank and honest conversation with your manager.

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

Motheranddaughter · 10/04/2026 17:47

It’s normally not difficult for an employer to find a reason not to allow flexible working

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 17:55

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

It's been many years since I last did a flexible working request but I think you might be right

OP posts:
PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:57

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 17:55

It's been many years since I last did a flexible working request but I think you might be right

Employers can legally reject a flexible working request based on eight specific business reasons, as outlined by Acas, including excessive extra costs, inability to reorganize work, negative impacts on performance or customer demand, or planned structural changes. The request must be considered in consultation with the employee before a decision is made, and refusal must be based on genuine, evidence-based operational grounds.
Acas +4
Valid reasons to refuse a flexible working request include:

[Burden of additional costs]: The arrangement is too expensive for the business.
[Inability to reorganise work]: Existing staff cannot cover the duties.
[Inability to recruit additional staff]: It is not feasible to hire someone else to fill the gap.
[Detrimental impact on quality]: The change will lower the quality of work.
[Detrimental impact on performance]: The change will affect the ability to meet targets or performance standards.
[Detrimental effect on customer demand]: The business cannot meet customer needs during the requested hours.
[Insufficient work during proposed times]: There is not enough work for the employee to do during their requested times.
[Planned structural changes]: The company intends to reorganize, and the request does not fit the new structure.

Loulou4022 · 10/04/2026 17:58

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:57

Employers can legally reject a flexible working request based on eight specific business reasons, as outlined by Acas, including excessive extra costs, inability to reorganize work, negative impacts on performance or customer demand, or planned structural changes. The request must be considered in consultation with the employee before a decision is made, and refusal must be based on genuine, evidence-based operational grounds.
Acas +4
Valid reasons to refuse a flexible working request include:

[Burden of additional costs]: The arrangement is too expensive for the business.
[Inability to reorganise work]: Existing staff cannot cover the duties.
[Inability to recruit additional staff]: It is not feasible to hire someone else to fill the gap.
[Detrimental impact on quality]: The change will lower the quality of work.
[Detrimental impact on performance]: The change will affect the ability to meet targets or performance standards.
[Detrimental effect on customer demand]: The business cannot meet customer needs during the requested hours.
[Insufficient work during proposed times]: There is not enough work for the employee to do during their requested times.
[Planned structural changes]: The company intends to reorganize, and the request does not fit the new structure.

Based on this they will probably reject the flexible working based on a number of those reasons

Purplebunnie · 10/04/2026 18:03

Would any of the TAs at the school be willing to help? I used a TA during school holidays to look after my DCs. She was grateful for the money, knew the DCs and I could go to work.

Motheranddaughter · 10/04/2026 18:10

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

Still can usually be done

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:10

PunnyPlumPanda · 10/04/2026 17:54

They have to be within only 8 reasons to decline if I remember rightly though? It’s quite strict

Well I think OP has already said she can't actually manage her team from home and it all falls to shit so I'd say that's probably a good enough reason...?

BCSurvivor · 10/04/2026 18:14

Hobbitfeet32 · 10/04/2026 17:29

im curious to know household income where you can be in an important full time job with husband also working full time, made a choice to have 3 children but cannot afford wrap around care for 2 days a week. Even without any additional needs 3 children are always going to cost money and be challenging in terms of managing full time work

I'm wondering that too.
OP seems to have maybe exaggerated her (indispensable) position.

shuffleofftobuffalo · 10/04/2026 18:16

What a difficult situation OP.

what strikes me the most is your description of your job and the way you’re working. It sounds utterly miserable and thankless and toxic. Being “indispensable” is awful and usually means you’re being throughly taken for granted (I bet if you try to put in some boundaries it won’t go down well). No breaks is unhealthy and being so available is unsustainable. At some point it will catch up with you.

I understand what you’ve said about leaving not being an option, but I think you should put it on the table (for yourself, don’t threaten it to them!). You have no idea if there is something better/different/equal out there in terms of flexibility because you’re not exploring that option.

I won’t comment on the childcare solutions as it’s outside my experience, but I hope you manage to work it all out soon.

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:19

BCSurvivor · 10/04/2026 18:14

I'm wondering that too.
OP seems to have maybe exaggerated her (indispensable) position.

Edited

I suspect that the husbands prior job was more lucrative in terms of pay... but yes, i think the OP is also perhaps exaggerating the supervision role in the very niche department she has (with a completely incompetent team) given they can't afford a nanny for 8 hours a week.

permanently · 10/04/2026 18:21

OP have you considered live in help eg an au pair? They just need their own room with a door and for you I’d say a drivers license.

Maddy70 · 10/04/2026 18:22

Your personal circumstances are not their concern. You either pay a nanny or put , face book add for a sixth former to collect and entertain after school etc

Most parents have to negotiate these hurdles. You need to have a plan before your meeting

Shittyyear2025 · 10/04/2026 18:30

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 15:34

Regarding the financials, the reason we can't afford regular childcare, is because our outgoings are very high in comparison to our earnings. We have unfortunately not been very financially responsible in the past and we are paying for it now. I can't reduce our outgoings any further and with 3 kids to find holiday childcare for, we don't have much additional money for fun stuff. My husband picks up a shift here and there from his old nights job so we can afford to pay for food and fuel.

I get cutting my hours would cost me money. What I'm more inclined to want to do is as some people have suggested in still doing 40 hours a week, but starting earlier when my husband is working from home so there is no drop in pay.

But your DH can't WFH effectively either, with 3dc at home...

Phineyj · 10/04/2026 18:30

I mean to be fair nannies for 3 kids with SEN experience and a clean driving licence and their own car aren't cheap or easy to find.

I live in one of the most populated parts of the country and the nanny we had from Koru Kids for about 9 hours a week briefly in 2020 cost us a fortune - not because the hourly rate was so unreasonable (although you do have to pay tax on it and/or an agency fee that includes that) but because of the cost of insuring a 20 something on our car...

The driving is often the sticking point and sounds essential in the OP's situation.

FriskyHeeler · 10/04/2026 18:31

BudgetBuster · 10/04/2026 18:19

I suspect that the husbands prior job was more lucrative in terms of pay... but yes, i think the OP is also perhaps exaggerating the supervision role in the very niche department she has (with a completely incompetent team) given they can't afford a nanny for 8 hours a week.

I haven't overexaggerated anything, as you say yes my husbands previous job was very lucrative and his current job based salary is not. However he can earn commission, but it's not instant.

And as I have also said in my posts, we've been financially irresponsible in the past.

OP posts:
Happyhappyday · 10/04/2026 18:31

I feel like I would say, I’ve explored all childcare options and am unable to find one that meets my family’s needs and will allow me to do the hours you want. The go forward paths I see are xyz (ie, stay as you are, reduce hours etc). And if they push, I’d probably go with something like, no one wants to solve this problem more than me but the complexities of our children’s needs mean options open to other families are closed to us. I would not go into a ton of detail about your family life. Other than high level, husband has explored and gotten the maximum accommodations he can get from current employer, we’ve explored school, nursery, family, nanny and child minder provision. Only available option that is currently not viable is a nanny, I would need a salary of xxx for this to be workable financially.

If they tried to run through suggestions with me, I would politely shut it down and say I appreciate the desire to help but I have researched exhaustively already.

At the end of the day, sometimes a job is not compatible with family needs. It really stinks but also, as you’re finding, sometimes there is no magic solution.

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