AIBU to find the comedian Katherine Ryan's turn to the right surprising?

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I was raised by a single mum and really liked Katherine Ryan's early standup that mostly focused on being a single mum in crap relationships. Several years ago she hooked up with her childhood sweetheart and had several kids with him, and since then her persona has taken quite a turn.

She defended the manosphere participants in Louis Theroux's recent docs, said that she liked Jordan Peterson, and today on social has featured her partner talking about how the moon landing is a conspiracy. Partner is 'not academic' I'll say politely, and MAGA-adjacent. He doesn't work and is a full time dad yet Katherine does the vast majority of childcare (and all of the earning) whilst he golfs. Clearly she got a lot of negative feedback from her (100% women and gay men) audience on her manosphere comments, because she backtracked a bit.

The situation seems like something she would have laughed at years ago, and it's been strange to see her comedy twist to support this, claiming she's always had provocative views.

I don't see any celebs as heroes so this isn't a 'my hero isn't who I expected' just more of a wow, didn't see this twist coming.

What do you mean by triggers? What do you mean by baffling?

…are the questions I would ask you if I was Jordan Peterson

Why does the term “misogyny” get used as a way to insult other posters. I like KR (her husband though doesn’t seem intelligent) but other people get to have differing views about what she publicly says and does without being labeled a misognist. We get to dislike someone without it having a deeper meaning.

Why ask me questions if you interrupt every answer? Just tell me what you think I should say...

...would be my response

Exactly, thank you! I like her and really enjoy her podcast. It really wasn’t as bad as the OP makes out. I don’t get bad vibes off Bobby either…he gives good advice when he’s on and he adores her if you ask me!

Fair enough for you. But there are a whole heap of cunty men and mediocre male comedians this thread could ‘dislike’ before a MN lynch mob comes for relatively inoffensive Kathrine Ryan of all people. I can only assume it’s internalised misogyny because this is what women typically get when they have a mind of their own and don’t conform.

The post isn’t about comedians as a whole. The OP posted about KR’s podcast and her opinions on what KR says and what and who she allows on her podcast.

I listen to every episode of the podcast and was so disgusted by her latest episode that I turned it off. I don’t find a lack of intelligence to be funny, and I don’t understand why she brought her DH on to talk about his ignorant moon landing conspiracy theories. And as I said above, her “joke” about NASA using Black and female astronauts as “test dummies” before sending white astronauts to the moon is ignorant and disgusting on multiple levels: it disregards the white men who have already been to the moon, the ones who have lost their lives during the Apollo missions, etc. Furthermore, it disregards the ability, intelligence, and worthiness of the Black and female astronauts who will be going to the moon, not as test dummies, but because they deserve to go.

Frankly, KR’s “joke” is what you should be calling out.

I also want to add: using a misogynist term that reduces women to a body part and is often used to demean and belittle women in your critique of posters is questionable.

He doesn’t work, he doesn’t parent, he doesn’t do chores. He’s basically a kept man on her dime. They have a very odd relationship.

Yes.

Maga adjacent non educated husband you are really insulting here. I don't get this need to be morally pure politically we all have complex different views and being disappointed that Katherine isn't the full bloody lefty you expected is silly. I believe we all need to get better in tolerating different views without being insulting.

Mould is British spelling and mold is US spelling - both the black stuff and a cast.

Tolerate MAGA? No thank you.

I see her all the time pushing her buggy with various dc I think she’s a good mum and definitely is a grafter. I have been over thinking things and wondering if the three with Bobby will go to private school and how much more work she will have to do? It’s eye watering the fees. I have too much time on my hands 😀

I think she can be very funny and used to really like her, but agree the husband set up is bizarre. She’s always talking about how attractive he is and in the context of her recent facelift said that she needed it because he still looked good whereas pregnancy/motherhood had aged her - it did seem very much like her self-worth is connected to what she perceives as her attractiveness to him.

But he is so far from a catch this makes no sense whatsoever?! He’s not good looking, he seems very stupid, and most of all he appears to contribute nothing to their lives which are fully funded by her. It baffles me that she is so desperate to hang on to this total sponger - cut him loose Katherine!

She has talked about how her mum dated (and I think maybe married?) someone her age (Katherine’s age) while Katherine was at high school, so maybe there is some kind of trauma/complex there.

He built her a swimming pool! Surely if they split she’d still have to fund his life style she sure wouldn’t be getting any maintenance from him.

I listen to Katherine Ryan’s podcasts - she seems to like to play devil’s advocate for attention so am not sure it’s worth taking what she says too seriously. As to Bobby it does seem she’s obsessed with having won back her high school sweetheart whereas he’s got a meal ticket to do fuck all.

I was confused by the dislike of Jordan Peterson on MN a few years ago - so I read his books. I had never heard of him until I saw his name on MN. He has some great points. I dont agree with everything of course. That would be odd.

I do think if you agree with everything someone says (be it a friend or a relative or spouse) someone is lying! It is normal and healthy to have disagreements and differences of opinion. I really wouldn’t want friends who agree with 100% of my views - 60% would be good. If they agree with everything I say I assume they are unsure around me and don’t trust me enough to say what they really believe. That’s not a friendship.

I think so may people have become very black and white - we look to others to gain viewpoints without reading or watching peoples work. Or we watch clips on SM rather than the actual interview. I have since met a few people who hate Peterson but have never read or watched him - it’s just they have been told he is bad by people who’s views they agree with. You can agree with some of what someone says, if saying I like some of his points makes someone dislike me, that’s okay.

This idea that there good and bad people makes me think of religion. Most people have complex thoughts and I love a good conversation.

In the last few years I have become increasingly aware that many people hide their views even from close friends. Liking someone even if they hold a different view seems to be more unusual now - I speak to so many people each week due to 8/9 very unrelated things things I am involved with and I am shocked by how may people make a beeline to me for a chat. I speak to new people every week too. Too may people have said it’s refreshing to chat to someone nowadays who is happy to agree to disagree.

I would say I’m pretty average at conversation and I’ve never been super popular until now. My phone actually doesn’t stop buzzing. Mindblowing as I was a bit of a hermit a few years ago.

The issue imo surely isn't changing her views but what they've changed to. I agree supporting tye manosphere sounds like attention seeking.

My issue with Jordan Peterson is not to do with his books at all but with stuff he's said on SM. I think both the life rules books are very sensible,,but his views expressed on SM are often not.

I agree criticising someone for not being left is silly but MAGA and manosphere are different. Manosphere is misogynistic ans MAGA implies total endorsement of Trump. You can be right wing without being that.

Yep. It’s all very odd!

He said that childless women are likely to be disagreeable, though.

To be fair he has talked about helping female clients negotiate pay rises at work. That's not exactly the action of someone who thinks all women should be at home. He is iffy though.

A public figure's views are the public 's damn business. That's part of the cost of being a public figure.

Do you think childless women (and men) have not fulfilled their role, then?