Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

I think it’s about time all dogs that have this similar genetic makeup and look are banned and euthanised. Iradecate the problem entirely.

It used to be Pitbull’s, now XL Bully, the next will be Cane Corso’s. Unfortunately irresponsible people seem hardwired to be attracted to owning these types of dog. The dog is bad enough on its own, add that in with chavs and you have a disaster waiting to happen.

Not sure if this has been said, it was a pocket bully apparently.

Wholeheartedly agree with you, as a dog owner myself who has put hours and hundreds, possibly even thousand's of pounds in to ensuring mine are well trained, fulfilled, happy and well rounded it frustrates me massively that anyone can own a dog & there is no requirement to train it or be accountable for its behaviour.

Mine is not a dangerous type breed at all, we have a spaniel - a very popular pet in the UK despite being a very high energy working breed, and people honestly do not do enough breed specific research before they take a dog into their lives.

A huge proportion of spaniels that end up in rescue have bitten people (or snapped without making contact) as they are prone to resource guarding. This can be guarding anything from “high value” items such as their food to things we perceive to be low value such as a pair of socks or a tea towel. Carrying items & wanting to retrieve & sniff (hunt) was literally bred into them as a working breed of dog, and yet millions of families get a spaniel puppy with ZERO regard to what they’re bred to do. They then wonder why their dog constantly picks their shoes up or steal the tv remote to carry around in their mouth, all whilst giving them no safe & appropriate outlet to express their inbuilt working “drive”. It only takes a few times of snatching that item back off the dog or telling them off for “stealing” shoes/socks whatever, and the resource guarding then starts. It all could have been prevented if people just understood their dogs and trained them / worked with them in a breed specific way!!!

The difference between a spaniel and an XL is what they’ve been bred to do. The XL ancestry is fighting dogs. Give that to some clueless muppet who wants to look hard, who has no clue about breed specific behaviour and appropriate training and it’s an absolute recipe for disaster.

All dogs should be licensed in the UK and it should be mandatory to have at least 3rd party liability insurance.

Corsos dont have a similar genetic make up to bullies. They are an Italian Mastiff. Just like there are English Mastiffs, or South African mastiffs.

And what were mastiffs originally bred for? It sure as hell wasn’t to be family pets.

I think there should be a license for dogs, and then an advanced license for guardian type breeds. I also think individual dogs should have licenses for certain freedoms, like off leash walking

Livestock guardians. They'd protect livestock from predators like birds of prey, wolves, bears etc. A properly bred guardian dog will not chase small animals. They are bred to protect them from apex predators.

Chat GPT says mastiffs were brec for hunting, livestock guarding, war and battle, guard and protection, bull baiting.

Who is their right mind would have one of those fucking things in a small flat alongside their kids? It beggars belief.

Media report that the child killed was a baby girl just “a few months” old. The attack was in the house, before the dogs got out onto the street. Pocket bullies have the same innate traits as the XL bully, and a baby was at risk all her tragically short life.

Border collies frequently bite, spaniels and poodles and Yorkshire terriers may bite, most breeds (and crosses) could be driven to bite, whether resource guarding or tormented by a child whose parents have failed to teach it to respect dogs, but it’s almost always a snap. It may hurt, it may break the skin, but it’s very unlikely to cause a fatal injury. Most breeds will not continue the attack and maul a human of any age to death, even traditional guarding breeds like German shepherds, Rottweilers or Pyrenean Mountain Dogs.

That anyone would have a baby in a house with a pocket or XL bully, or American bulldog or pitbull, speakers volumes about their own shortcomings.

I must have missed all the people agreeing with you.

The PdSA say

"Mastiffs are a member of the ‘Working’ breed group. Working breed dogs were bred to become guard and search and rescue dogs. Breeds in this group are specialists in their work.
Mastiffs are gentle giants – calm, good-natured dogs that tend to get on well with everyone. As with all breeds, early socialisation is important to ensure they grow up into confident, sociable dogs"

https://www.pdsa.org.uk/pet-help-and-advice/looking-after-your-pet/puppies-dogs/large-dogs/mastiff

The problem is the thick scum buying these dogs, not training them, hardly exercising them and leaving them in a small chaotic family space. The problem is we can’t cull thick scumbags, so the government is meant to make it more difficult/impossible to obtain these dogs. We have had decades of weak government and right now have the weakest in my living memory, so sorting this out will not happen and we’ll just keep burying the dead.

Agree on pocket bullies. The whole XL thing is a red herring. These are badly bred dogs.

I think the clue is in the name. A charity protecting animals isn’t going to be promoting euthanasia of the aggressive ones, it’s always going to talk about the importance of excellent training and socialisation, which of course ISN’T HAPPENING.

So back in the actual world and not the world of imaginary friends and waterfalls, how we going to deal with these dangerous dogs?

How embarrassing to not accept that others have different opinions from you.

That is terrifying.

I say this every time. Stranger danger is nothing compared to the threat that these dogs pose, and yet here we are.

Because a lot of ppl (especially on MN) think dogs have more rights than humans.

I agree any dog can bite, but its so blatantly obvious that a spaniel cannot cause the same damage as an a large Bully/mastiff style dog and we always have people every thread trying to pretend that some other breed is just as dangerous (every time its a different breed). It's madness that we allow people to walk around with animals that can kill if not trained exactly right.

I do think it's slightly naive to say its purely poor ownership/people that want to use dogs as weapons. Lots of the dog bites I've seen have been from normal, loving owners. Any dog can bite and it's not always that the dog is being aggressive or naughty, it's natural for animals to bite if they feel threatened or scared for some reason. Obviously perfect supervision can prevent this but I think sometimes this attitude lulls owners of bigger/more dangerous breeds into a false sense of security around young children "my dog is trained therfore hes not a threat"

The gentle giants thing is pretty universal when it comes to mastiffs. They are known for being great in families. Anyone who knows dogs knows that. Of course there is a spectrum. English mastiff at one end, Dogo Argentinio (something like that) at the other (those are banned here). Corsos are somewhere in the middle. But they've always been known as dogs that protest family homes while adoring the family. Real women's dogs.

You don't understand statistics.

Could be a cane corso or other scary brute of a dog that's still legal to own

The problem is not thick scum bags. Not every dog who bites is a poorly trained dog kept in terrible conditions.

Dogs do bite. The difference is a smaller breed will make a smaller wound. A bigger more dangerous breed can kill. One bite from a big bully breed or a cane corso style dog will cause significant harm because they are powerful animals. All dogs should be regulated/licensed and we should acknowledge that some breeds are too dangerous to be owned

A family member just bought a cane corso and has 3 kids....I'm bewildered as to why??

So tell me!

These dogs have just replaced other fad dogs and they’re already going out of fashion.

Another breed of dog will soon replace it.

Look at the hysteria that Rottweilers, Dobermans, German Shepards and staffies caused throughout the years.

Of course XLs are powerful breeds but it’s the fact that there are more dogs in general now and they’re easier to get hold of thanks to the internet.

The only solution is to overhaul dog ownership all together.

Just look at the awful cases of neglect and abuse many animals suffer.

There needs to be much tighter restrictions on owning them and breeding them.

There needs to be dog licensing.

The government needs to put more funding into rescue centres and make it illegal to sell or give away dogs on places like gumtree.

If you want to breed then you need to get a license and have regular welfare checks and sell on legitimate websites.

As a responsible dog owner and dog lover, I would welcome tighter laws around dog ownership (and eventually other pets too).