Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

No thank you. Not this woman.

And who is buying these bully breeds if not thick scum?

if there’s no market for the thing, the thing doesn’t exist.

I was thinking along the same lines when I considered what you could actually do about this problem. Like you suggest, as a species dogs are so responsive to selective breeding that banning a particular breed is a) very difficult as it's so hard to define, and b) largely pointless as a dodgy breeders will quickly come up with another one that falls outside the definition and flog that to the knuckle-draggers instead. So really it might have to be something like 'from date X [a decent amount of time in the future], you need a licence for a dog weighing more than 25kg (or whatever)' with a presumption against granting new licences unless you can say why you need a big dog or if it is a known 'safe' breed. No it wouldn't be perfect but neither would any other way of dealing with the problem.

Just licence every single dog and every single dog owner. It's gone beyond a debate now.

I have a dog, I love dogs, I didn't think it was necessary or proportionate to do this but now I do.

God bless that poor child and their family.

I agree they need to all be immediately destroyed they are just too dangerous.

You decentivize ownership usually by attributing a financial penalty to it - what they are doing with car ownership currently but let’s add in some actual proper criminal penalties to ownership of a dog that kills. Dogs need to be seen as weapons. If any dog kills a person the owner of that dog should feel the full weight of the law. Similarly anyone that kills through dangerous driving. Proper prison sentences.

I cant say whether its a good idea for that individual. I think its best if the owners have a very good idea about how to pick a good dog and then how to train it, continually, throughout its life. I dont think its a bad idea just because you have 3 kids.

I’m going to wade in here with some love for XL bully’s - all the ones I have met have been brilliant dogs, well trained, cared for, where the owners have put in significant time, effort and training with them. More so than the brigade of ‘my dogs friendly cockerpoos’

Would I trust them around children? No!
Would I trust any dog around a child? No!

Fully expecting some hate for my post…

I've noticed that since the 'ban', a lot of the deaths are no longer random strangers on the street, but family members in the home. Hopefully this means that the muzzling is working. Still wouldn't willingly be near an XL bully in a muzzle as I've seen some people with plastic ones and it would take them seconds to tear through that. But it's a positive that only the morons dumb enough to adopt these animals are suffering. Just heartbreaking that their children have to pay the price.

Would I trust them not to kill my cat who might be sitting on my doorstep sleeping No!
Would I trust them with small dogs who might be in the end of a lead who might be on a walk with their owner? No!

Orherwise they’re fabulous! 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

I don’t have enough hate for your post.

Ah ok. If the owners of every XL, pocket or any other bully had a licence the dogs would never had attacked?

You're clearly the owner of a 'land shark', so you know exactly what it is but you're a cult member so you defend it.

Same here.

Of course not. But it would weed out the idiots and low-level scum.

Driver's licences, traffic lights and car MOTs don't stop car accidents but we still think they are a good idea.

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast how many have you met? And trained? Just out of curiosity

I have met and trained a small proportion of the ones in the UK - I can only comment on the ones I have.

I’ve met far worse than them…

Any death of a child by a dog is completely unacceptable - but a lot of the responsibility is on the owners.

If it’s the devises attack the news reporting has been sensational and click bate as you can get 🙄

Some people will defend these dogs like they’re a family member.

Landsharks is a well known term for Golden Retrievers. See below.

They are quite a different breed from XL Bullies, or indeed any Bull breed.

Unless you also have objections to Golden Retrievers? In which case, I really don't blame you. Evil little bastards - should definitely be banned.

I don’t care where the blame lies. I’ll lay the blame at the animal AND the owner. Fine the owner, cull the animal. I’d be delighted.

And the last one I read about did exactly that and they killed her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gg6zql03eo

until those "brilliant well trained" dogs kill a child... I'm sure that the previous owners if killer dogs thought they were lovely,well trained dogs.

The result of misplaced trust in a cockerpoo is bruising, cuts, maybe stiches and psychological trauma.

The result of misplaced trust in an XL bully is death.

The two aren't comparable and I find it disingenuous to pretend that they are.

We draw lines like this in society all the time. All cars pose dangers to pedestrians, and that danger boils down to the adult operating them. However we have chosen to not allow US style super trucks on UK roads because, regardless of how responsible the adult operator is, the residual risk to pedestrians is too high.

Cockerpoos are Peugeot 107s and XL bullies are Chevrolet super pick up trucks.

You don't deserve hate. You having had positive experiences with some XL bullies doesn't in any way counteract the fact that they're responsible for the vast majority of dog attack fatalities, or make them safe to be in society.

It's like if I said 'honestly, I've been on car journeys without a seatbelt loads of times and never been injured', the fact that not wearing a seatbelt is a dangerous and stupid thing to do doesn't make my experience not true.