Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

AFAIK, XL classification isn't done by DNA because they are such a mish-mash. There isn't a specific DNA profile for them. It is done by phenotype, rather than genotype.

I’ve seen one of those behemoths in the flesh recently, and man alive, it was intimidating just to look at.
I was genuinely frightened.

The only small mercy is that they are not as neurologically unhinged as the XL.

This has what has been reported "The dog - who witnesses have described as a grey and white pocket bully type - was seen running up and down the street after the attack, residents say."

Both XLs and Pitbulls are done by type. The latter being a nonsense as dogs with Pitbull DNA may not conform to type whereas ones with no Pitbull in them can, and have, met the criteria. If the argument is that Pitbulls are genetically dangerous then that makes no sense.

I’m a dog lover but I agree this is out of control now and unfortunately XL bully breeds and pit bulls are so dangerous because of strength and unpredictability, something now needs to be done a UK wide cull. Yes it’s sad for families and their much loved pets but I feel more for this poor child and others killed/attacked by to many of these type of dogs.

I don’t know anything about them, so, that’s good to know.

Ahh so it’s not even an XL bully at all then.

That makes this thread even more insensitive.

I think there must be something else going on TBH. For example, Italy has no universally banned breeds - there are some local restrictions - and has a lower, or broadly similar, level of fatal dog attacks as the UK. I don't know about XLs, but other strong breeds, including pitbulls, are commonly owned.

You’re probably right. It’s just sad all round it :(

I watched Panorama too - the law is not worth the paper it is written on (the breed specifics / head dimensions and height etc)

As a result, many dogs did not fall under the remit .

Additionally, banning one breed will cause another one to take its place !

The guy at the end of the programme nailed it - licences for ALL dogs need to be issued like they are for guns. Any responsible owner would not object to this !

As a runner/walker the number of yappy dogs that snap at my ankles irritate me nearly as much as the tragic cases of deaths. But of course they have the 'cute ' factor !

Barely any posters have said how awful it is that a child is dead. It’s all hysteria and misinformation - no discussion.

The fact you and others think there’s an issue with me pointing that out says an awful lot about you.

I have a GR now, but grew up with staffies. They were always lovely loyal dogs.
The problem started when scallies and wannabe gangsters starting getting them, primarily to use as a weapon, to threaten and intimidate.
Obviously there are laws in place around carrying weapons, so they started using dogs, as there's no law preventing "carrying" a dog.

When xl bully's became a thing, they mostly switched over to them, as they are obviously bigger, more aggressive etc

I cannot for the life of me understand why some parents, grandparents etc choose to have an xl bully, and I think the previous government absolutely bottled it with the ban, rather than culling the lot of them.

And yes, I appreciate that any dog can bite, but for those banging on about labs and spaniels biting?
Which dog would you rather be bitten by?
Because with a lab or a spaniel, I can almost guarantee you that you would live to tell the tale, as opposed to an xl bully.

This is so sad. The poor child 😞
We have a spaniel and if I have to leave the room for a length of time and my 9yo is going to be alone then I crate him. He is a lovely natured boy but its not worth the risk. We had a lab for 17 years, soft as butter but would also crate him if our child was going to be alone with him too. You just never know. We spend a lot of time educating our children on good behaviour with the dog, getting them to understand when he has had enough of playing and what his signs are when he is tired etc as that can make him act in a way that is not his usual self. Its mad that people can get dogs and not put any thought into the same type of approach.

Any type of fighting dog is going to be aggressive, they are bred for it. The priority should be about safety. How many dead children before we decide they are too risky? For those defending these very big, aggressive dogs - what's the number of acceptable deaths?

A bad owner of a poodle creates a yappy, irritating dog, who's bite may be bad, but not fatal. The difference is in the strength of the animal.

This is an emotive topic, and we all have our own views and opinions. Of course my comments about what you could have done were directed at you as we were discussing a situation specific to YOU. Nor have I extolled any virtues - I am well aware of the limitations of the authorities, but the fact remains that unless you report something, there is zero chance any action will be taken. As for posting in bad faith, that's just not true, as my posting history demonstrates.

Ilovelurchers
Horribly sad news.
I wonder if getting too obsessed with breeds is a bit of a red herring? XL bullies are a relatively new "breed", and if all efforts are focused on irradicating these, surely another "breed" will simply arise to take its place? Plus it can be difficult to determine a dog's "breed" anyway - how much XL blood does a dog need to be defined as an XL itself? Etc etc.

Exactly, ban one breed or type and the "owners" move onto another.
The only way to stop it is by eradicating the "chavs" who feel the need for these dogs. And yes I know that's harsh, but true.

Isn’t this the exact same reasoning that means we can’t talk about a myriad of hot potato subjects that are ruining and taking lives and damaging society? Lots of pearl clutching and taking offence so let’s just sweep it all under the carpet, not address or debate it at all and exclaim ‘how very sad that X happens but what about the weather?’ I despair of this modern world.

To reply to someone's personal story and then say their response to your criticism shouldn't be personal is bad faith. I'm saying that with all reference to your posting history, let alone the arrogance in which you responded elsewhere on the thread, which has been picked up by other posters.

You're right it's an emotive topic and it's one where blaming others for having less than perfect responses to other people's criminality won't go down well.

You want to cull people instead of dogs? I guess they are using the dogs to fulfill that agenda anyway.

When was the last time you heard of a child being mauled to death by a golden retriever? …

No I don’t think I ever have either…

It's horrendous, but I really don't know what is an XL bully. And why aren't they properly banned.

“Eeez a big softy eee is”. Er, he doesn’t look like a big softy to me. Stop kidding yourself and fuck off with these vile creatures.

Tell us why this thread is insensitive.

Right, this is starting to get silly now. My "stop taking it so personally" comment was meant in response to your statement that I was apparently showing myself up, as well as your sarcastic comment about my "clever response". You don't mind dishing it out yourself and you have more than given it back to me. Some people don't agree with my opinions, others do - that's life. It's probably best we stop replying to each other as we aren't going to progress this any further.