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Another child killed by a dog...

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tnorfotkcab · 09/04/2026 22:08

Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

A Google street view of Hardale Grove. It is a residential cul-de-sac with cars parked on the pavement.

Child dies in Redcar dog attack, police say

Police remain at the scene in Dormanstown, where one dog was destroyed earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

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JanBlues2026 · 13/04/2026 17:48

BackToLurk · 13/04/2026 17:25

Because people only ever have one dog in their lifetime?

No, I meant an odd coincidence of the type of dog being assumed to be involved

Frequency · 13/04/2026 17:57

I assume if there was more than one dog on the property, the police have their reasons to blame one and not the other.

A pic of a dog on Faceache does not mean the dog lived there. It could have died, it could be a friend's or a relative's dog, or it could have been elsewhere at the time of the incident.

I find crawling a dead woman's FB page and posting your findings to support your views on XLs to be in very poor taste, and suspect you need a hobby.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 18:33

JanBlues2026 · 13/04/2026 17:15

That is very odd isn’t it

I was more pointing out that they do have or have had contact with one of those types of breeds and it wasnt that dog that did this.

AcquadiP · 13/04/2026 18:33

takealettermsjones · 13/04/2026 10:38

Your suggestion (that non-dog owners learn how to not antagonise dogs) is a reasonable one as long as all the dog owners play their part and are just as reasonable. I have no issue at all with teaching my children boundaries around dogs in the ways you describe (my kids know to ask the owner before approaching a dog, not to approach a dog that's eating, etc).

The problem comes when dog owners start pushing the line - and actually, who decides where the line is? So for example, I've been asked to stop my son kicking a football in a public park because it would antagonise this lady's dog. I've also been actually yelled at for eating a picnic at a picnic bench, because the dog wanted the food and wouldn't recall and it was obviously my fault!

Now I know you're not suggesting those things, but what I'm saying is that what counts as unfairly antagonising a dog can be quite subjective, and for that reason, I don't think it works as a societal strategy to keep humans safe from dogs.

"The problem comes when dog owners start pushing the line - and actually, who decides where the line is? So for example, I've been asked to stop my son kicking a football in a public park because it would antagonise this lady's dog. I've also been actually yelled at for eating a picnic at a picnic bench, because the dog wanted the food and wouldn't recall and it was obviously my fault."

I say this as a dog owner, the sense of entitlement in both of these cases is staggering! If the lady's dog couldn't cope with a football being kicked about, then she should have put her dog on a lead and gone elsewhere. The failure of the dog to recall because you were eating food is on the owner, not you.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 18:36

Frequency · 13/04/2026 17:57

I assume if there was more than one dog on the property, the police have their reasons to blame one and not the other.

A pic of a dog on Faceache does not mean the dog lived there. It could have died, it could be a friend's or a relative's dog, or it could have been elsewhere at the time of the incident.

I find crawling a dead woman's FB page and posting your findings to support your views on XLs to be in very poor taste, and suspect you need a hobby.

I looked yesterday before the article came out today to see the lurcher. I saw it yesterday but didnt post it. I knew it wasnt crossed with a bully from the pictures online. Of course they have reason to know it was one dog and not the other. It was a lurcher that did it from all credible accounts.

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/04/2026 18:58

Just a guess, but any dog that suddenly turns in the way the lurcher did may well have something like brain tumour going on.
There was a thread on MN a while back where OP's dog was attacking family and was found to have a brain tumour. They had also had their dog a long time and it was family.

RapunzelHadExtensions · 13/04/2026 19:05

BridgetJonesV2 · 10/04/2026 09:41

I used to work in a florist shop, and the only time I was ever bitten on a delivery was by a labrador - I was really shocked but it didn't draw blood and was just made as a warning. These XL bullies go for the neck, that's the difference. I don't understand why people try to argue that other dogs bite - yes of course they do, but these dogs know exactly where to aim to kill.

They also bite, clamp and shake. Other breeds have a release reflex.
The shaking is often what kills babies.

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 13/04/2026 20:30

Bollixtothat · 12/04/2026 14:52

Was the child only 3 months old? That’s horrific. Poor baby. The parents are supposed to protect their children. They failed spectacularly. And they’ll live with that for ever. I hope it hurts! At least it wasn’t the child of someone who has nothing to do with the dog.

Sounds like very sadly it may have been a baby totally unknown and unrelated to the owner - the dogs ran into the house from the street, someone posted up thread.

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 13/04/2026 21:23

Allseeingallknowing · 12/04/2026 18:50

But would you leave your doors open to everyone and everything in the street if you couldn’t be watching all the time?

That’s a disgusting, victim blaming comment. Of course people leave their doors - and windows - open in warmer weather.

Not everyone lives in a hotbed of crime area. But even if they did, they still don’t deserve this to happen or any violent death to happen. It’s always the perpetrators fault.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 21:38

Why don't you start your own thread in AIBU stating you would like ALL dogs in the UK culled, see how many people agree with you.

Allseeingallknowing · 13/04/2026 21:54

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 13/04/2026 21:23

That’s a disgusting, victim blaming comment. Of course people leave their doors - and windows - open in warmer weather.

Not everyone lives in a hotbed of crime area. But even if they did, they still don’t deserve this to happen or any violent death to happen. It’s always the perpetrators fault.

It wasn’t meant to come over that way
Of course it’s the owner of the dogs fault. I said so in a previous post. I’m just surprised that these days anyone would risk leaving their doors open. In an ideal world we all should be able to.

Itcantbetrue · 13/04/2026 22:06

@Gostraight2hellnowtrump yes it's becoming the the states and their gun laws

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 22:54

RapunzelHadExtensions · 13/04/2026 19:05

They also bite, clamp and shake. Other breeds have a release reflex.
The shaking is often what kills babies.

See this cute little dog, its a Bedlington terrior. In the C19th it was being bred as a fighting dog. Has absolutely no bull dog in it!
But why use the bedlington.....because its a terrier. It is terriors that have the instinct to bite and shake.

When they crossed the bull dog (a rather slow lazy lumpen lump) with the terrior they did so because the it was the terrior that was 'game' for a fight.

Many terrior breeds now still have the same will to chase prey and grab it and shake it in a death bite. The rather cute Bedlington is not the cute dog it appears and many show agression towards other dogs.

Bull breeds were never bred to show aggression towards humans and up until the American dog men perfected their pit bull type no bull breed dog had. The XL is in a sense reverse engineered, using pit bull as stock and then adding in other dogs that are not bull breeds to create the size of the american bully.

In short it isn't the case that only bull breeds grip and shake, or even do so with intention to kill.

Another child killed by a dog...
LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 23:18

https://doglistener.co.uk/the-american-xl-bully-dog/

This makes interesting reading. The XL was created by breeding the pitbull with other dogs such as Cane Corso . ....so there you have it. What a great combination that is :(

Very soon we will be discussing the cane corso.

The American XL Bully Dog | Doglistener

The American XL Bully was implicated in 6 out of 10 fatal dog attacks in the UK in 2022. Learn about the breed and the risks of owning one.

https://doglistener.co.uk/the-american-xl-bully-dog/

Littlewrenn · 13/04/2026 23:21

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 16:46

Thing is, if you see on her SM, there is actually a pic of a staffy type dog.

It is odd. The guy (her dad??!!!) the horse breeder guy, if you find and scroll down his page, there is a photo of him with two XL bully type dogs.

It's all sus. Why would he be arrested if the lurcher that was her pet attacked her? And the very defensive woman that keeps popping up in on all the news pages stating it was a dog fight makes me think the lurcher and an XL bully had a scrap and the poor girl got in the middle of it.

Obviously I might be wrong but the dad being arrested (for why?) and pictured with XL bully types makes me suspect there's more to this.

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/04/2026 23:22

Littlewrenn · 13/04/2026 23:21

It is odd. The guy (her dad??!!!) the horse breeder guy, if you find and scroll down his page, there is a photo of him with two XL bully type dogs.

It's all sus. Why would he be arrested if the lurcher that was her pet attacked her? And the very defensive woman that keeps popping up in on all the news pages stating it was a dog fight makes me think the lurcher and an XL bully had a scrap and the poor girl got in the middle of it.

Obviously I might be wrong but the dad being arrested (for why?) and pictured with XL bully types makes me suspect there's more to this.

Edited

I have seen articles saying he wants the lurcher and her pups PTS.

AcquadiP · 14/04/2026 00:00

Littlewrenn · 13/04/2026 23:21

It is odd. The guy (her dad??!!!) the horse breeder guy, if you find and scroll down his page, there is a photo of him with two XL bully type dogs.

It's all sus. Why would he be arrested if the lurcher that was her pet attacked her? And the very defensive woman that keeps popping up in on all the news pages stating it was a dog fight makes me think the lurcher and an XL bully had a scrap and the poor girl got in the middle of it.

Obviously I might be wrong but the dad being arrested (for why?) and pictured with XL bully types makes me suspect there's more to this.

Edited

He was arrested because he's the owner of the dog (the lurcher) which was dangerously out of control leading to her death. The law applies to any breed of dog.

AcquadiP · 14/04/2026 00:06

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/04/2026 18:58

Just a guess, but any dog that suddenly turns in the way the lurcher did may well have something like brain tumour going on.
There was a thread on MN a while back where OP's dog was attacking family and was found to have a brain tumour. They had also had their dog a long time and it was family.

I agree with you. If the dog had genuinely never previously shown any signs of aggression as the victim's father has stated, then this is the most likely scenario.

blubberball · 14/04/2026 08:45

LordofMisrule1 · 10/04/2026 12:46

People who say 'it's the owner not the dog' smugly never seem to take that stance to its logical conclusion.

Even IF it's the owner's fault when a dog mauls or kills someone, so what? Apportioning blame doesn't change the outcome or bring the person back.

So, so many innocent adults, children and babies have died in one of the most gruesome, painful and terrifying deaths imaginable, at the jaws of these animals.

When the owner is killed I don't feel as much sorrow tbh as their stupidity and hubris could have got someone innocent killed. I'm just glad it wasn't someone who did nothing to deserve being near one of these dogs.

But when it's an innocent child whose parents have failed on the most fundamental of levels to protect them, who has willingly chosen to force them to live around such a dangerous animal, it's just sickening.

Or a random person just trying to live their lives, going about their business, attacked and killed in broad daylight, for nothing.

The injustice is unbearable.

They're the same people who say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" Yeah but the gun definitely helps

blubberball · 14/04/2026 08:56

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 13:23

XL bullies are not bad, any more than tigers are bad. They are powerful and dangerous predatory animals and as such they ought not to be kept as domestic pets.

It's really no different to keeping a pet tiger. I'll just have a tiger around my kids. But it is a trained tiger...

blubberball · 14/04/2026 09:40

Scampiniknak · 10/04/2026 22:44

Seen this story doing the rounds on social media and the comments are staggering. One person actually said ‘two sides to every story’ along with the usual ‘I own an XL and they are so soft, blame the owners.’

Honestly the stupidity of some people is staggering.

That is shocking "two sides to every story" They need to hear how it was the dead baby's fault, and not the dog's and idiot owners?

blubberball · 14/04/2026 10:14

BackToLurk · 11/04/2026 17:01

Very few breeds are “literally designed to kill”. As pointed out before, most bully breeds were bred not to be aggressive toward humans. Others, such as properly bred staffies, have had dog aggression bred out of them. Some bully breeds can be dog aggressive, but it’s by no means a given. A lot will depend on socialisation and training. If you want an indication of what a combination of genetics and training can do, this morning I went on a trainer-led group walk. The only dog that had to be kept away from the little fluffy dogs wasn’t the rottie, the husky, the GSD or the bully, it was the former racing greyhound.

That makes sense as they have a strong prey drive, and will want to chase anything small and fluffy

Littlewrenn · 14/04/2026 19:49

AcquadiP · 14/04/2026 00:00

He was arrested because he's the owner of the dog (the lurcher) which was dangerously out of control leading to her death. The law applies to any breed of dog.

Yes I know what the law says.

However, the sister of the guy that was arrested has been very, very vocal about it being a dog fight. Dog fights require more than one dog being involved.

The dad has XL bullies. He will be shitting himself if more info comes out publicly because he will be prosecuted.

We will see.

Cocabuta · 14/04/2026 21:42

GenieGenealogy · 13/04/2026 09:19

Agree with this. They put the blame onto the person who got bitten - they triggered the dog, they were acting inappropriately, they didn't understand the dog's body language or warnings. All ignoring the fact that it is their job as an owner to make sure their dog does not impact on anyone ever.

Whether that means not allowing it to jump up, having perfect recall, or making sure it has no opportunity to bite in the first place.

Exactly which is why I give dogs a wide berth if I’m in an enclosed space or outside something even when the owner claims they are “friendly”. If for some reason it turned on me I would be the one dealing with the injury as well as getting the blame of it. For walking for standing for running, for looking at it, for not looking at it. Always an excuse.

I told some daft woman to get her dog out of my seating area in the train. It was on a longish lead and kept wandering across the aisle and sniffing people. She looked so stunned that I didn’t want her dog sniffing around while she was on her phone paying zero attention to it. So if it took a dislike to a passenger and bit them she wouldn’t have had a clue what happened and would probably insist they must have done something to provoke it.

AcquadiP · 14/04/2026 22:31

Littlewrenn · 14/04/2026 19:49

Yes I know what the law says.

However, the sister of the guy that was arrested has been very, very vocal about it being a dog fight. Dog fights require more than one dog being involved.

The dad has XL bullies. He will be shitting himself if more info comes out publicly because he will be prosecuted.

We will see.

I'm not sure what the sister is implying.

If she's suggesting the two XL Bullies were fighting each other and the daughter tried to separate them and was fatally bitten, the bite injury would be so severe, the police would know immediately that it was highly unlikely she had been bitten by the Lurcher.

If she's suggesting that one of the XL Bullies got into a fight with the Lurcher, then the Lurcher would be either extremely badly injured or dead.

It's all very odd...