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Another child killed by a dog...

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tnorfotkcab · 09/04/2026 22:08

Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

A Google street view of Hardale Grove. It is a residential cul-de-sac with cars parked on the pavement.

Child dies in Redcar dog attack, police say

Police remain at the scene in Dormanstown, where one dog was destroyed earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

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Hoppinggreen · 13/04/2026 12:14

Its never a Golden Retriever in Harrogate is it?
Its like bloody Bingo

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 12:15

Hoppinggreen · 13/04/2026 12:14

Its never a Golden Retriever in Harrogate is it?
Its like bloody Bingo

The 19 year old was killed by a lurcher they had from a puppy.

LordofMisrule1 · 13/04/2026 12:29

takealettermsjones · 13/04/2026 10:38

Your suggestion (that non-dog owners learn how to not antagonise dogs) is a reasonable one as long as all the dog owners play their part and are just as reasonable. I have no issue at all with teaching my children boundaries around dogs in the ways you describe (my kids know to ask the owner before approaching a dog, not to approach a dog that's eating, etc).

The problem comes when dog owners start pushing the line - and actually, who decides where the line is? So for example, I've been asked to stop my son kicking a football in a public park because it would antagonise this lady's dog. I've also been actually yelled at for eating a picnic at a picnic bench, because the dog wanted the food and wouldn't recall and it was obviously my fault!

Now I know you're not suggesting those things, but what I'm saying is that what counts as unfairly antagonising a dog can be quite subjective, and for that reason, I don't think it works as a societal strategy to keep humans safe from dogs.

It's just not practicable at all to have a society where the only way to be safe around dogs is to pussyfoot around to ensure absolutely NOTHING untoward ever happens. I mean, animals should be treated with absolute respect and care, of course. But I don't know many people who would say that if a child runs up out of their parents' eyesight and goes to pat a dog on the head who didn't want that contact, it's acceptable that the child is mauled to death.

I was in the park a couple of weeks back with my in laws and their two gorgeous black labs, when their 2yr old accidentally trod on one of their back paws as they were laid on the ground. They are fantastic owners, have been all about the dogs since day one, and have done a cracking job adjusting to having a new baby along with caring for both dogs. Invested in training them, socialising, classes, enrichment, you couldn't wish for more responsible dog owners. And yet on a sunny day having a picnic for a split second their toddler stepped on the dog's back paw.

People make mistakes, it happens. As it stands the dog startled a little and moved their paw away and carried on relaxing. We should hold the standard that any dog living with a family should be safe enough to withstand the odd accident like that without snapping (not that bully breeds need an incident to start 'snapping' of course). Shit happens when you are coexisting. I love my cats to absolute pieces, I adore them so much, and in the several years of having them we've accidentally stood on one of their tails and accidentally almost closed a door on the other.

GenieGenealogy · 13/04/2026 12:30

It;s common sense to teach kids not to approach dogs unless given the OK to do so by the owner, or not to actively hurt a dog, or not to get in a dog's face. But often you'll see owners saying people should know more than that - to be able to tell what a dog does when it's happy/sad/excited/stressed/anxious.

Well no. Because I don't have a dog, have no intention of having a dog, and have no interest in dogs. I don't go into fields with cows because I'm not a farmer. The farmer does their bit by keeping their cows behind a fence so the onus is not on me to learn about cow body language. Should be the same with dogs.

Also the whole "oh he just wants to say hello!" Well I fucking DON'T want to say hello so keep your animal away from me.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 12:50

LordofMisrule1 · 13/04/2026 12:29

It's just not practicable at all to have a society where the only way to be safe around dogs is to pussyfoot around to ensure absolutely NOTHING untoward ever happens. I mean, animals should be treated with absolute respect and care, of course. But I don't know many people who would say that if a child runs up out of their parents' eyesight and goes to pat a dog on the head who didn't want that contact, it's acceptable that the child is mauled to death.

I was in the park a couple of weeks back with my in laws and their two gorgeous black labs, when their 2yr old accidentally trod on one of their back paws as they were laid on the ground. They are fantastic owners, have been all about the dogs since day one, and have done a cracking job adjusting to having a new baby along with caring for both dogs. Invested in training them, socialising, classes, enrichment, you couldn't wish for more responsible dog owners. And yet on a sunny day having a picnic for a split second their toddler stepped on the dog's back paw.

People make mistakes, it happens. As it stands the dog startled a little and moved their paw away and carried on relaxing. We should hold the standard that any dog living with a family should be safe enough to withstand the odd accident like that without snapping (not that bully breeds need an incident to start 'snapping' of course). Shit happens when you are coexisting. I love my cats to absolute pieces, I adore them so much, and in the several years of having them we've accidentally stood on one of their tails and accidentally almost closed a door on the other.

So as a responsible dog owner of a rottweiler, of course you desensitise your dog to normal events like a toddler accidentally stepping on their foot.

What you don't normalise is a boisterous toddler continually touching your dog in ways they will not like. In that situation, once I saw this toddler is in full toddler mode, I'd move my dog away.

That's why my dog trusts me/us. He knows that I/we will control situations and do our very best to minimise the situations he has to tolerate or be in charge of deciding what to do.

The mistake people make is expecting a dog to continually stay in this "tolerate" mode and mistaking that tolerance for enjoyment. They stop trusting that their owners will control the situation and opt to do it themselves.

HairsprayBabe · 13/04/2026 13:10

Surely it is more akin to a car.

Only some people are allowed to drive, (adults that can see and have not been banned)
You have to have training to drive a car, and pass a test and the government keep your details
You can lose your right to drive if you are deemed to be unsafe
You could kill someone through driving, intentionally, recklessly or accidentally.

Equally - we teach our children how to behave around cars and where cars are likely to be to keep them safe.

I would argue that no-one needs a giant scary dog where as cars are essential for many aspect of modern day living therefore the barrier to owning a giant scary dog should be far far higher.

EdithStourton · 13/04/2026 13:35

Just a point...
Lurcher are by definition crosses, sighthound with sighthound of another breed, or sighthound with something else (collie, terrier, bull breed, whatever).

You get everything from Beddy whippets all the way up to bull lurcher which are bull x grey x deerhound or whatever.

Serious lurcher people will be able to tell you what their dog is and why, sometimes all the way back to the GGPs.

And yes, people should know how not to antagonise dogs. It's just sensible, in a society with a lot of dogs. Like learning how to cross the road, or, if you walk in the countryside, how to deal with cattle.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/04/2026 13:39

Tacohill · 12/04/2026 21:44

The dogs weren’t XL bullies, nor were they a banned breed.

There were rumours that they were pocket bullies but this was false.

Just like the young girl who was recently killed by a dog was not an XL bully either, it was a lurcher.

These are tragic accidents and potentially raise questions about dog ownership but it had nothing to do with XL bullies and it’s shocking that people use someone else’s tragedies to push their narrative.
No one seems to care about people getting killed by dogs unless they’re a certain breed.

Can you provide a source concerning the actual breed then, as everywhere else pocket bullies have been mentioned.
Also the other dog (alleged to be a lurcher) are in some cases being bred mixed with bullies.
While neither dog is an XL bully, it does as others have said suggest that the issue is the bull breed as a whole.

LordofMisrule1 · 13/04/2026 13:44

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/04/2026 13:39

Can you provide a source concerning the actual breed then, as everywhere else pocket bullies have been mentioned.
Also the other dog (alleged to be a lurcher) are in some cases being bred mixed with bullies.
While neither dog is an XL bully, it does as others have said suggest that the issue is the bull breed as a whole.

You can't argue with people whose entire premise rests on 'oh look! THIS attack wasn't a bully! Therefore you're wrong to be concerned about the safety of bully breeds! All dogs can kill! It's just prejudice!'.

The facts remain that many people have been mauled to death by bull breed dogs, the occasional fatality from a non-bull bred dog doesn't change that or make owning a bull breed dog any safer.

It's disingenuous as they know full well if they had a choice between being attached by an XL bully or a chihuahua they'd go for the latter. One may lead to a couple of stitches. The other, you're likely in the mortuary.

BackToLurk · 13/04/2026 13:55

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/04/2026 13:39

Can you provide a source concerning the actual breed then, as everywhere else pocket bullies have been mentioned.
Also the other dog (alleged to be a lurcher) are in some cases being bred mixed with bullies.
While neither dog is an XL bully, it does as others have said suggest that the issue is the bull breed as a whole.

There have been pictures of the lurcher, it doesn’t appear to have any bully in it although I suppose it could. There are other aspects of the story though that make me go “hmm”, but ultimately unless these incidents are followed up with proper investigations that go beyond ‘we’re DNA testing the dog’ I’m not sure how many answers we’ll get.

SerendipityJane · 13/04/2026 14:14

Only some people are allowed to drive, (adults that can see and have not been banned)

Yes, but driving is not the human right the dog brigade will hit you over the head and tell you owning a dog is.

Just search MN tor all the threads from people wailing in anger as their furbaby is not allowed somewhere.

And god forbid you ever tell someone you'd rather they didn't bring their pooch into your place.

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/04/2026 14:18

SerendipityJane · 13/04/2026 14:14

Only some people are allowed to drive, (adults that can see and have not been banned)

Yes, but driving is not the human right the dog brigade will hit you over the head and tell you owning a dog is.

Just search MN tor all the threads from people wailing in anger as their furbaby is not allowed somewhere.

And god forbid you ever tell someone you'd rather they didn't bring their pooch into your place.

I have not seen any threads where the OP was wailing about their dog not being allowed somewhere.

I see the opposite. Loads of threads moaning about dogs being in places they are allowed to be in.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 13/04/2026 15:39

SerendipityJane · 13/04/2026 11:11

Your suggestion (that non-dog owners learn how to not antagonise dogs) is a

Really shit one and deserves to be stopped dead. It's just a backdoor for victim blaming. (Like leaving doors open).

I think in the example the pp gave of the 9/10 year olds screaming into the dogs face is a valid point about teaching children not to antagonise a dog.
This does not negate the dangerous breeds that need no provocation to attack.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 15:55

LordofMisrule1 · 13/04/2026 13:44

You can't argue with people whose entire premise rests on 'oh look! THIS attack wasn't a bully! Therefore you're wrong to be concerned about the safety of bully breeds! All dogs can kill! It's just prejudice!'.

The facts remain that many people have been mauled to death by bull breed dogs, the occasional fatality from a non-bull bred dog doesn't change that or make owning a bull breed dog any safer.

It's disingenuous as they know full well if they had a choice between being attached by an XL bully or a chihuahua they'd go for the latter. One may lead to a couple of stitches. The other, you're likely in the mortuary.

"The facts remain that many people have been mauled to death by bull breed dogs, the occasional fatality from a non-bull bred dog doesn't change that or make owning a bull breed dog any safer"

We can see as it is clearly evidenced that XLBs are dogs that appeal to a certain demographic, and I would add that Pocket and standard variety also appeal to this demographic. We are now witnessing that this demographic don't want to walk a scary dog with a muzzle, so they are now acquiring large mastif type dogs used for guarding. This IMO will turn out to be as big, if not a bigger public safety concern. In a few years we won't be here debating "bull breed" dogs. Dog licenses not only should be reintroduced but certain breeds should have special licences and the need for public liability insurance. No license and no insurance ....no Cane Corso!

There are many bull breed dogs that now make very good pets, because reputable breeders have responsibly bred very balanced non aggressive dogs, these incl Bostons and Boxers. SBTs were always bred for no human aggression, indeed its one of the few breeds where any human aggression HAD to be actively removed from the gene pool (and the pit), precisely because of what they were bred for. Small bull breeds dogs pose very little risk to adult humans, medium sized well bred Bull breeds such as boxers pose no more threat than any other medium sized dog, and EBTs with a responsible owner pose no more threat than a labra-poodle-doodle-whatsit with a dopey middle class owner who is so blase about their untrained whirling ball of fluff that they have no control over.

BSL has had no effect in preventing attacks and fatal attacks. BSL would only be effective if we were to add every breed the idiots turn their attention to before these breeds were ruined and before waiting for several fatal attacks to occur. There are far too many incidents that go unreported involving labra-poodle-doodle-whatsits biting children and causing harm to adults and other dogs, all day long, every bloody day. The XL and the other American Bully dogs are clearly not safe both because of their breed and because of the people that choose them. But as they choose other powerful breeds, those breeds will become unsafe too.

But we can't let a combination of ignorance and snobbery dictate what is safe and ignorantly assert that all bull breed dogs should be banned. And I think we should be very very specific about which dog we are describing when we say "bull breed" Indeed, the idiots are not drooling over the prospect of having an EBT, and the only "staffy dog" they want is not a Staffordshire bull terrier but a cross breed several generations along with pibull in it. They are not buying Boxers, or French bull dogs or Bostons. They are turning their attention now to very large non bull breed dogs that have been bred to be naturally suspicious and cautious around humans. A far more worrying prospect than 90% of Bull breed dogs (excluding the American Bully dogs). And they are doing this because they know that Press and Cane Corso can be used very effectively to intimidate, and that these breeds in their hands will become the very thing we all fear. Do we ban Press and CC now or later?

There are no simple answers. Address inequality, poverty and unemployment, address drugs and conditions in social housing, toxic masculinity and all forms of impoverishment......maybe, and cull the bloody XLs and american bully dogs now. Make expensive insurances mandatory....maybe, make all breeding of dogs illegal to unlicensed breeders. Special licences for some breeds and higher insurance premiums, and enforce it. And for the labra-poodle-doodle-whatsit brigade obligatory dog training classes!

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 16:01

And they are doing this because they know that Press and Cane Corso can be used very effectively to intimidate, and that these breeds in their hands will become the very thing we all fear. Do we ban Press and CC now or later?

Presa not press!

DinoLil · 13/04/2026 16:28

Ah, that will be a lurcher then.

FishingInTheRiversOfLife · 13/04/2026 16:28

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 15:55

"The facts remain that many people have been mauled to death by bull breed dogs, the occasional fatality from a non-bull bred dog doesn't change that or make owning a bull breed dog any safer"

We can see as it is clearly evidenced that XLBs are dogs that appeal to a certain demographic, and I would add that Pocket and standard variety also appeal to this demographic. We are now witnessing that this demographic don't want to walk a scary dog with a muzzle, so they are now acquiring large mastif type dogs used for guarding. This IMO will turn out to be as big, if not a bigger public safety concern. In a few years we won't be here debating "bull breed" dogs. Dog licenses not only should be reintroduced but certain breeds should have special licences and the need for public liability insurance. No license and no insurance ....no Cane Corso!

There are many bull breed dogs that now make very good pets, because reputable breeders have responsibly bred very balanced non aggressive dogs, these incl Bostons and Boxers. SBTs were always bred for no human aggression, indeed its one of the few breeds where any human aggression HAD to be actively removed from the gene pool (and the pit), precisely because of what they were bred for. Small bull breeds dogs pose very little risk to adult humans, medium sized well bred Bull breeds such as boxers pose no more threat than any other medium sized dog, and EBTs with a responsible owner pose no more threat than a labra-poodle-doodle-whatsit with a dopey middle class owner who is so blase about their untrained whirling ball of fluff that they have no control over.

BSL has had no effect in preventing attacks and fatal attacks. BSL would only be effective if we were to add every breed the idiots turn their attention to before these breeds were ruined and before waiting for several fatal attacks to occur. There are far too many incidents that go unreported involving labra-poodle-doodle-whatsits biting children and causing harm to adults and other dogs, all day long, every bloody day. The XL and the other American Bully dogs are clearly not safe both because of their breed and because of the people that choose them. But as they choose other powerful breeds, those breeds will become unsafe too.

But we can't let a combination of ignorance and snobbery dictate what is safe and ignorantly assert that all bull breed dogs should be banned. And I think we should be very very specific about which dog we are describing when we say "bull breed" Indeed, the idiots are not drooling over the prospect of having an EBT, and the only "staffy dog" they want is not a Staffordshire bull terrier but a cross breed several generations along with pibull in it. They are not buying Boxers, or French bull dogs or Bostons. They are turning their attention now to very large non bull breed dogs that have been bred to be naturally suspicious and cautious around humans. A far more worrying prospect than 90% of Bull breed dogs (excluding the American Bully dogs). And they are doing this because they know that Press and Cane Corso can be used very effectively to intimidate, and that these breeds in their hands will become the very thing we all fear. Do we ban Press and CC now or later?

There are no simple answers. Address inequality, poverty and unemployment, address drugs and conditions in social housing, toxic masculinity and all forms of impoverishment......maybe, and cull the bloody XLs and american bully dogs now. Make expensive insurances mandatory....maybe, make all breeding of dogs illegal to unlicensed breeders. Special licences for some breeds and higher insurance premiums, and enforce it. And for the labra-poodle-doodle-whatsit brigade obligatory dog training classes!

There is a simple answer. Cull the lot.

DinoLil · 13/04/2026 16:29

My son was mauled by a lurcher.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 13/04/2026 16:40

FishingInTheRiversOfLife, all dogs? every single last one of them?

bafta16 · 13/04/2026 16:42

DinoLil · 13/04/2026 16:29

My son was mauled by a lurcher.

How awful.

FishingInTheRiversOfLife · 13/04/2026 16:42

DinoLil · 13/04/2026 16:29

My son was mauled by a lurcher.

Is he ok? I hope so.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 16:46

Thing is, if you see on her SM, there is actually a pic of a staffy type dog.

JanBlues2026 · 13/04/2026 17:15

GlovedhandsCecilia · 13/04/2026 16:46

Thing is, if you see on her SM, there is actually a pic of a staffy type dog.

That is very odd isn’t it

BackToLurk · 13/04/2026 17:25

JanBlues2026 · 13/04/2026 17:15

That is very odd isn’t it

Because people only ever have one dog in their lifetime?

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