Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

Nobody said it did
But first reports were that the dogs belonged to the parents.

"Also stop foreign rescues coming in - they are not "rescues" they are bred in puppy farms for gullible Brits"

Completely agree. What probably started off as genuine rescue has now spawned a whole industry in fake rescue, or at least 'opportunistic' rescue for profit from eastern and central Europe. It amazes me that people continue to get sucked in by it.

Right, that's why I said 40kg of angry dog. I would hazard a guess that wrestling your stropping child is a bit different from trying to restrain a 40kg muscle dog who's lost it.

I'm not sure the relevance of this unless your child also has the jaws of a dog?

And the ones who do get sucked into trafficking these dogs from the likes of Turkey and Romania almost always rely on the likes of the PDSA, where they lie about the dogs imported status and now we wonder why we have zoonotic infections like brucellosis running rampant.

I take your point but the key issue here is how far a dog of any weight would take its anger and this depends on what its been bred to do, its temperament and upbringing. The Newfoundland, St Bernard and Irish Wolfhound can weigh 70 - 90 kg but all these breeds are famously gentle and placid.

A dog is perfectly capable of inhibiting its bite and can deliver a bite ranging from soft to hard. This, assuming it happens at all, is usually in the form of one bite and release, usually to a hand or limb. Not at all pleasant but usually survivable (other than a baby.)

There are a number of frightening aspects to the XL Bully. Firstly, there appear to be no triggers to its aggression. Secondly, it sees its 'job' as ending the life of the person or dog or cat it's chosen to attack at random (hardly surprising given its descended from the survivors of Pit Bull fights.) Thirdly, It doesn't bite and release, it savages, and it usually goes for the throat. Finally, the XL Bully is unique among dog breeds for frequently attacking and killing its owners (as is it's ancestor the American Pit Bull Terrier.)

Personally, I don't classify the XL Bully as a dog because it typically doesn't behave like a dog. I classify it as a grotesque man-made mutation - the equivalent of a loaded gun - and our government of the day should never have allowed its importation from America.

You should be in possession of all the facts before making comments like this. A pp has said there are reports that the dogs ran in off the street and didn’t belong to the parents. Imagine losing your baby in such a violent and horrible way and idiots on the internet blaming you when it wasn’t anything to do with you and you don’t even own the dogs in question.

But would you leave your doors open to everyone and everything in the street if you couldn’t be watching all the time?

The poster said 'FB reports'in other words it could all be idle gossip.
Wait for official facts.
It still doesn't change the outcome that baby is still dead and why because of a dog.

It's the owner's fault. Their dogs should be under control at all times.

I did read the article . I didn’t read anything about an open door. Obviously my comment doesn’t apply if your version is what actually happened.
I wouldn’t imagine most xl bully owners are literate.

I get it, I was just asking that particular dog owner as she had specified the weight (and thus implied strength) of her dog. I am not a dog owner and I do wonder what goes through people's heads when they take on a beast that they can't physically control. I genuinely did want to know whether it bothered her that she couldn't control it without the haltie thing or whatever it's called.

The parent might well have been there when it happened and seen the whole thing, horrifically. A huge powerful dog attacking a baby could happen very quickly and isn't a scenario where someone supervising, even if they were very close, would be able to do much.

Oh come on. So we are actually blaming the bereaved parent(s) of the baby for…leaving their door open? Ffs how vile can you be. It’s a perfectly innocent and normal thing to do in warm weather. Nobody could have predicted this at all. It’s a completely different scenario to neglectful parents willingly keeping a monster dog while having a new baby in the house.

Just imagine going through what they are going through and people are blaming you because you left your door open. If this is indeed what happened, the only people to blame are the owners of the dogs and I hope they are prosecuted accordingly.

I leave my doors open sometimes, I dont consider anything odd about that

I would consider it very odd if a strnagers dog ran in to my house unsupervised.

I wouldn’t be leaving my door open in an area where someone or an animal could just go in as it only takes a moment and it’s impossible to keep an eye on whay going on every minute. That said, no I don’t blame the parents, I blame the owners of the vile beast that allowed it to roam around.

You buy them a dog ramp and they walk into the car. They're foldable and easy to use.

Because of an irresponsible dog owner.

There have been no reports that the dogs belonged to the parents of the baby girl.

I completely agree. And 'under control' means that the boundary fencing is escape proof which wasn't the case here as the dog that was shot in the street had escaped through a gap in the fence which is also the dog owner's responsibility.

Actually reports vary. Some are saying the parents were not there and the baby was was with a friend, so we don’t know exactly what happened.

There's only person responsible for this tragedy and that's the owner of the dogs. If you keep dogs, the boundary fencing or walls must be escape proof, that's one of the basics of dog ownership. Its a fineable offence to have a dog roaming the streets.
It's also a criminal offence to have a dog 'dangerously out of control' in a public place which was obviously the case here.

Also, there has been nothing to suggest that the baby wasn't being watched correctly. Infact, a woman was bitten at the scene most likely trying to defend the baby. The whole horrific scenario probably occurred in seconds.

The dogs weren’t XL bullies, nor were they a banned breed.

There were rumours that they were pocket bullies but this was false.

Just like the young girl who was recently killed by a dog was not an XL bully either, it was a lurcher.

These are tragic accidents and potentially raise questions about dog ownership but it had nothing to do with XL bullies and it’s shocking that people use someone else’s tragedies to push their narrative.
No one seems to care about people getting killed by dogs unless they’re a certain breed.

A poster up thread knew the people involved in this tragedy. The baby was being looked after by a friend. The two dogs were running loose in the area and came in through an open door and one of them killed the child. The owner of the dog has been arrested and charged and the dogs were reported by a witness to be a small bully type dog.

Yes you’re right. I’d heard that Dogs Trust have had to stop 3rd party liability altogether as it’s not viable for them financially with a big increase in claims…. Whether this is directly related to all the XLs having to be insured & then subsequently claiming who knows?
I know of a few people (not XL owners) who don’t want medical (vets bills) insurance but sensibly still wanted 3rd party liability, and now it’s extremely hard to find on its own.