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Another child killed by a dog...

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tnorfotkcab · 09/04/2026 22:08

Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

A Google street view of Hardale Grove. It is a residential cul-de-sac with cars parked on the pavement.

Child dies in Redcar dog attack, police say

Police remain at the scene in Dormanstown, where one dog was destroyed earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

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IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 08:46

Frequency · 10/04/2026 12:54

If we want to reduce dog bites, we need to accept that the DDA does not work in its current form and that banning breeds is at best useless.

The focus needs to be on education, not breed. You only need to read any dog thread to see that 99% of the UK population is dangerously clueless when it comes to canine behaviour.

Studies have shown that countries that prioritise education and incentivise responsible dog ownership have far greater success in reducing dog bites than those that focus on breeds.

There are also studies that show breed is far less relevant than the circumstances surrounding the bite and the long-term handling of the dog. The Breeds responsible for spates of bites vary depending on trends/fashion.

A 2013 study into dog bite fatalities identified that there are 4 or more of the following circumstances in over 80% of cases:

  1. No able-bodied person available to intervene (87.1%): The victim was alone or unsupervised.
  2. Victim was a stranger to the dog (85.2%): Incidental or no familiar relationship between the victim and the dog.
  3. Dogs were sexually intact (84.4%): The dogs involved were not neutered or spayed.
  4. Victim unable to handle/manage dogs due to age or condition (77.4%): The victim was physically or mentally compromised.
  5. Dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interaction (76.2%): The dogs were not kept as family pets, but rather as resident dogs, chained, or confined.
  6. Prior incidents with mishandling/mismanagement of dogs (37.5%): Owner had previous knowledge of the dog's dangerous behavior.
  7. Abuse and neglect of dogs (21.1%): The dog had been subjected to abuse or neglect.

The same study found breed not to be a factor when predicting the likelihood of a dog bite incident occurring, and identified that the breeds involved were often misidentified in the media, and, less often, but still significantly, misidentified by police.

Oh but it does work much better than them not being banned at all, the only way it would work better is if the dogs were culled and so far that isn’t going to happen in this country.
Not going to lie, your whole post sounds like the type of propaganda that these pit bull advocates push.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/04/2026 08:47

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 06:47

A friend has got a proper Doberman guard dog that wouldn’t actually kill anybody but it would chase you until the ends of the Earth. It’s far better than any police helicopter or German Shepherd. This thing is relentless.
But it’s been trained and handled so well that once it’s found you it just pinned you to the ground and waits for help to arrive. It wouldn’t hurt a hair on your head.
He keeps it extremely well fed and looked after because the dog cost him 40 grand
If people want animals for security reasons that’s the calibre you’re looking for
These Excel bullies. I always think look half starved. They can’t be fed on a normal person’s income. It costs a fortune

£40k??

Please tell me that’s a typo??

GlovedhandsCecilia · 11/04/2026 08:48

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/04/2026 08:47

£40k??

Please tell me that’s a typo??

Nope. A security trained dog costs about that and you get them at around 18 months. The thing is that sometimes they aren't bonded enough to the owners (as they haven't been part of their training) so won't do the job. They wont bite them, but they won't protect them either.

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 09:01

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/04/2026 08:47

£40k??

Please tell me that’s a typo??

This dog is amazing. You could put a lump of steak on its head and it wouldn’t lick it unless he tells him it’s okay for him to lick it.
Obviously not suggesting that it couldn’t turn nobody thinks that
But my point here was about keeping it in peak condition. He’s never really told me what he spends maintaining the animal but I know it’s more than I spend on my son in a month including Housing and utilities and school fees.
Dogs of that size eat a lot of meat, and if they don’t and they’re walking around the streets permanently half starved they’re not in a very good position to maintain control of. Any creature would go half crazy.

BackToLurk · 11/04/2026 09:10

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/04/2026 08:45

And people never break the rules and the law, of course. 🙄
They’ll only get a slap on the wrist if they do. So, it’s pointless.

So you wouldn’t have any laws because people break them? Genius.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 09:37

BoyMumNurse · 10/04/2026 13:13

there are no bad dogs. Only bad owners. the types that buy XL bullies are always 'hardmen' chavs trying to prove something, coming from violent homes who most likely mistreat the animals. I grew up in places where violence is the norm. its no wonder these poor dogs are aggressive.

“There are no bad dogs, only bad owners”.

That is another oft repeated line by pit/XL bully advocates.
Actually in a way you are right.The dog doesn’t mean to be bad, it can’t help how it’s genetics have been tinkered with, it’s just the breeding, the dog isn’t responsible for being born.Its the tinkering with breeding done over hundreds of years.
The problem isn’t that they always appear aggressive either, which causes owners to claim “Oh they’re soft as a brush, wouldn’t hurt a fly, it’s all just the newspapers lying”. Until the day the dog flips, and then “it’s never done that before, it’s always been round my kids”.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 09:51

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:14

The right to bear arms is buried deep in the constitution and the gun lobby is incredibly powerful politically. We don’t have anywhere near the red tape to wade through to make culling these dogs happen and yet we seemingly can’t make it happen because of weak government.

I’d like to see the back of them as much as the next person but I don’t think as it stands at this moment in time that the government is being weak.
I believe the best way is the continuing with the ban. By the very nature of the owners of this type of dog, more than average have chaotic lifestyles.They aren’t responsible enough to make sure they can financially afford vet bills via insurance or money put aside. Whilst they might like kicking up a fuss “it’s us against the government, don’t bully my breed etc etc” because it fits in with their victim mentality, when shit hits the fan and they can’t afford or don’t want to pay out for vet bills, they will quietly without fanfare take their dog to the vet to be pts. Obviously not all immediately, but gradually over time.
I think where the government did fall down is that they didn’t ban them soon enough, ie years ago.

FishingInTheRiversOfLife · 11/04/2026 11:03

I'd rather see all dogs banned than one more baby mauled to death.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 11:57

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 09:01

This dog is amazing. You could put a lump of steak on its head and it wouldn’t lick it unless he tells him it’s okay for him to lick it.
Obviously not suggesting that it couldn’t turn nobody thinks that
But my point here was about keeping it in peak condition. He’s never really told me what he spends maintaining the animal but I know it’s more than I spend on my son in a month including Housing and utilities and school fees.
Dogs of that size eat a lot of meat, and if they don’t and they’re walking around the streets permanently half starved they’re not in a very good position to maintain control of. Any creature would go half crazy.

Why would you pay that for a dog when you could pay to have a security man with his own dog patrolling the place? Also what on earth does this guy own that needs protecting with a 40k dog that costs a fortune to feed and maintain? I’m guessing drug dealer.

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 12:02

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 11:57

Why would you pay that for a dog when you could pay to have a security man with his own dog patrolling the place? Also what on earth does this guy own that needs protecting with a 40k dog that costs a fortune to feed and maintain? I’m guessing drug dealer.

He’s not a drug dealer, you can’t have a security guard 24/7 even on minimum wage for 40000 plus quite frankly the dog does a better job.
He’s protecting his family. I doubt he could give a shit about the cars, Property etc his children are irreplaceable.

QuintadosMalvados · 11/04/2026 12:03

FitAt50 · 11/04/2026 06:40

As soon as I saw the headline I knew it would on some dodgy estate. These never seem to happen in 'nice areas' and habitually always seem to be the pets of rough types.

While I think that it is possible to find one of these XL beasts in naice areas - usually owned by an airy fairy dopey female who thinks their love can cure 'Truffles' of his viciousness, much like their yobbish boyfriends-and that the majority of people in rough areas have sensible dogs, you are, of course, correct.

I temporarily took on my dc's weekend leaflet delivery job when they were in 6th form and damaged their ankle.
I didn't want them to lose the job as they enjoyed it and gave them a taste of work.

I was very, very wary on certain estates and breathed a sigh of relief when the 'rounds' were in nice areas full of cocker spaniels and labradors.
(People wouldn't whinge when I started at 7am, either, as they were up and about.)

I'm amazed that there aren't restrictions in rented/council properties on breed types.
If not, there bloody well should be!!

Femalemachinest · 11/04/2026 12:07

I wish people would stop sticking up for these breeds (not saying its happening here I've not read full thread).
My granddad was bit by his spaniel, puncture wound but otherwise fine. I worked at a kennels that occasionally got dogs from Police. We had this big bull breed in, I won't lie he was soft and lovely but one day he got hold of a rabbit and killed it(I wasn't on this walk). Next day he picked it up again when I was walking him, and nothing I tried could get this dog to let go, he was so strong in his jaw. So god knows how people are expected to save anyone from these types.
They are bred for fighting and protection for a reason. If all dogs were the same we wouldnt use specific breeds for specific jobs

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 12:13

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 09:51

I’d like to see the back of them as much as the next person but I don’t think as it stands at this moment in time that the government is being weak.
I believe the best way is the continuing with the ban. By the very nature of the owners of this type of dog, more than average have chaotic lifestyles.They aren’t responsible enough to make sure they can financially afford vet bills via insurance or money put aside. Whilst they might like kicking up a fuss “it’s us against the government, don’t bully my breed etc etc” because it fits in with their victim mentality, when shit hits the fan and they can’t afford or don’t want to pay out for vet bills, they will quietly without fanfare take their dog to the vet to be pts. Obviously not all immediately, but gradually over time.
I think where the government did fall down is that they didn’t ban them soon enough, ie years ago.

Oh this government is weak on all fronts, so they certainly won’t be the people that come up with anything that might upset animal rights groups. They’d rather those who own the animals die or their kids pay the price, as that’s got better optics.

I would like the banned breed definitions to be widened. There will be commonality between all these dogs that kill. These are dogs who’s genetic purpose was to protect, guard, look after livestock, their commonality will be strength, stamina and ability to bite hard and they are persistent and unrelenting. Hence the guard Doberman mentioned that wouldn’t kill but would chase to the end of the earth.

Those type of dogs are weapons and weapons require restrictions such as licenses and permissions to own. We all know that there’s no appetite to sort this as they’ve decided it will cost money and we’re broke. They only change anything if it makes them money or people are absolutely incensed by it (poll tax) that they take to the street and force change.

Abother working class, uneducated family being killed by their ‘weapon’ doesn’t interest people outside of their community. It’s a ‘tut, what shame’ kind of feeling and everybody moves on. If these dogs were routinely slaughtering everyone in the park that would be different. The public outcry would ensure a swift response.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 12:15

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 12:02

He’s not a drug dealer, you can’t have a security guard 24/7 even on minimum wage for 40000 plus quite frankly the dog does a better job.
He’s protecting his family. I doubt he could give a shit about the cars, Property etc his children are irreplaceable.

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You still haven’t answered what this guy has got that’s worthy or such protection?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 12:34

Choochoobutho · 10/04/2026 13:56

exactly all this nanny dog bullshit that is trotted out.

I believe the man who referred to them as Nanny dogs back in the 20s or something had his own nephew ripped to bits by one of them!

I find it fascinating how these stupid old wives tales seem to stick 🙄

I’m not sure exactly where the Nanny Dog myth started, but the dog breeder/fighter that had his nephew killed by one of his dogs was John P Colby in 1909.
Of course in those days they were called “Dog Fanciers” probably to cover up the disgusting elements of dog fighting.
From what I understand he angered his fellow dog fighters because where as they like to keep their activities under wraps, Colby began selling the fighting breed dogs to the general public as a way to make more money.

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 12:54

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 12:15

You still haven’t answered what this guy has got that’s worthy or such protection?

Yes, I have. It’s his family.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 12:57

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 12:54

Yes, I have. It’s his family.

No you haven’t. You are being deliberately obtuse. I have ‘a family’ and I don’t have a 40k Doberman outside the front door. I assume my ‘family’ are less worthy or protection, yes?

BackToLurk · 11/04/2026 12:59

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 12:57

No you haven’t. You are being deliberately obtuse. I have ‘a family’ and I don’t have a 40k Doberman outside the front door. I assume my ‘family’ are less worthy or protection, yes?

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They have. You might not accept the reason, but it has been explained.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/04/2026 13:01

You could teach any dog to ignore a piece of steak on its head, to be fair, and it wouldn’t cost you £40k, either.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 13:04

BoyMumNurse · 10/04/2026 14:12

I have been attack by 2 dogs in my life. neither were bullies of any kind. so does your anecdote trump mine.

I do wish people would research statistics instead of relying on their own limited experience and shit they've been told

But you are still here and I presume your injuries were not severe.
As well as too many have been killed by bully’s, many many more have also been severely injured.
As example this picture of a 12 year old girl and the damage of one bite, which her parents want shared to raise awareness.

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BoyMumNurse · 11/04/2026 13:19

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 11/04/2026 13:04

But you are still here and I presume your injuries were not severe.
As well as too many have been killed by bully’s, many many more have also been severely injured.
As example this picture of a 12 year old girl and the damage of one bite, which her parents want shared to raise awareness.

The first one was very severe. Several bites to my face of which I still carry the scars. I still do not blame the dogs.

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 13:23

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/04/2026 12:57

No you haven’t. You are being deliberately obtuse. I have ‘a family’ and I don’t have a 40k Doberman outside the front door. I assume my ‘family’ are less worthy or protection, yes?

Edited

No, you just don’t have 40 grand I assume 🤷‍♀️

PartQualifiedAcca · 11/04/2026 13:24

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 11/04/2026 13:01

You could teach any dog to ignore a piece of steak on its head, to be fair, and it wouldn’t cost you £40k, either.

Quite clearly you cant, otherwise we’d all be doing it.
Plenty of examples on this thread of people that aren’t even able to train their dog at all

Usernumber36373647323 · 11/04/2026 13:25

A 19 year old killed in a dog attack now! Bizarrely it seems to go in waves where a few awful attacks will happen in a short space but regardless, the new legislation on dangerous dogs doesn’t seem to be enough!

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