Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

One witness claimed one of the dogs was a pocket bully and was running around.
Seems like that was the one that wasn't shot?we do know the other one, just something about a "standoff"

If you want to reduce harm then you follow the evidence. The evidence globally is that breed specific legislation doesn’t work. There are better strategies, such as licensing, compulsory training and restrictions on breeding.

https://people.com/uk-girl-7-mauled-by-dog-as-neighbors-threw-bricks-to-stop-attack-11906983?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/14378772/staffordshire-bull-terrier-attack-toddler-irvine-ayrshire/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.thesun.ie/news/15199273/boy-bitten-face-staffie-man-arrested/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2025-12-31/police-issue-appeal-after-man-bitten-by-dog-during-walk?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37653137

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/baby-killed-by-family-dogs-2122518

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-28450645

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/morenews/uknews/2018/02/21/man-killed-in-dog-attack-had-biggest-heart-say-family-as-owner-is-jailed/#:~:text=The%20family%20of%20a%2052,would%20do%20anything%20for%20anyone.

All staffordshite bull terriers.

Does the mauling beast know its been licensed and decides oh, I'd better not maul anyone now that my idiot owner got a piece of paper about me?

You can not train the aggression out of these dogs any more than you can train a herding dog not to herd.

A staffy type isn’t a SBT, and neither is a Jack Russell or a bull terrier.

Is that all you've got to say? Several examples of maulings by SBTs and you are quibbling over 'staffy type'? They are all bully breed demon monstrosities. NOT worth the maulings they dish out. Sure, they are all a bit mongrel, but we all know the type - blocky dented head, ugly pig eyes, slobbery hanging mouth.

None of this information substantiates your claim that SBT were responsible for the majority of fatalities caused by dogs in the years before the XL Bully. And of the examples two were a "mongrel bull terrier" and one "a STB terrier type", which could mean any type of bull breeding in both cases. If your claim was correct, the SBT would also be on the DDA list of banned breeds.

Just ban all dogs, then there would be no arguments over which breeds should be banned, is that dog really a banned breed etc etc. It would save so many lives.

The best strategy is to not allow the situation to arise in the first place by banning the importation of breeds which have a terrible reputation. Horse, stable door.

Seen this story doing the rounds on social media and the comments are staggering. One person actually said ‘two sides to every story’ along with the usual ‘I own an XL and they are so soft, blame the owners.’

Honestly the stupidity of some people is staggering.

I was bitten by a dog whilst out jogging last weekend in my local woods. I have been in pain for a couple of days. I will get over it. But what gets me is how the owners bolted and left me there. I have got a massive bruise on my right thigh. They don't fucking care. Sorry about that, and they fucked off.

SBT are small dogs, can not be compared with "staffies" which applies to "Staffie" looking dogs which are much larger and quite strangely many look just like pitbull terriers, because that is exactly what many of them are.

I'm in two minds about BSL. Clearly it isn't working. I think pitbull type "staffie dogs," have slipped through the net, and american Bully dogs have been badly bred. Many have health problems and they appeal to idiots. However as one type or breed is banned another becomes desirable to these idiots. Cane corso and Pressa are now popular. Where does it end? And for those calling to ban all "bully" breeds I would like as ask them to explain what they mean by bully breeds. Do they mean american bully or all bull breed dogs? Or any cross breed? I mean, who would seriously ban boston terriers on the basis of safety?

If we ban and euthanise american bully dogs (xl, pocket and standard) not only do we erradicate this menace and it might help to stop the hysteria around other bull breeds. However the idiots who want tough looking dogs will continue to burn through the breeds choosing mastifs and other bull breeds such as EBT. Or even just buy great danes or large guardian dogs. Where would it end?

Dogo Argentino was banned in the uk having never put a paw on UK soil. A dog that is far more balanced than any XL. However much I admire their spirit and beautiful looks I concede that no UK home could offer a dogo the life for which it was bred. This can not be said of other long established bull breeds that have had the fight bred out over many generations.

One last point, bull breeds were actively bred to show no agression to humans. Even when dog fighting was legal. The owners had to be able to intervene in the pit. Dogs that showed agression to humans were put down as they couldnt be used, and they were not used for breeding. On the other hand guardian breeds that have been bred to be suspicious of strangers are often a bigger threat, and the idiot owners are now sniffing about dogs like mallonois which can be extremely dangerous.

Its the sheer strength of these dogs that terrifies me. Reports that dogs shot by police are shot multiple times before they stop...what chance does an unarmed person have in their home?

I find it interesting that lovers of the bully type dogs claim they are "big softies" "family dogs". But they purposefully have sought out a breed known for its size and strength. The advertising is always similar.

Also to add, this is an interesting (and horrifying) read - someone up thread mentioned many xl bullies being linked to the same dog.
https://banthebullyxluk.wordpress.com/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

It appears that inbreeding is a desirable quality and breeders purposefully breed for size and strength. I typed pocket bully breeder into Facebook and this was the first thing that came up - proudly stating "true inbred". Sickening.

How will licences speed up the elimination of these dogs.

This is both sickening and chilling

This happens many many times.So often indeed that there are groups set up to guide and commiserate with the poor owners.Guide them in trying to get justice with the police and courts.Sadly a well known advocate for the breed or rather type shall we say (Ms Marland) actually takes it upon herself to troll and bully the group all over social media, which makes it more difficult as people end up not wanting her unwanted attention in a difficult time in their life.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe 3rd party liability insurance was being offered for these dogs (XL’s) by Dogs Trust as a condition by Defra of having the dogs. This came in from the date of banning.
Unfortunately Dogs Trust have now withdrawn from the scheme.

Yes I believe that was the idea to protect the public.
Unfortunately you can’t legislate for stupid and therefore the ones dying and being mauled are within the home of the owner.
I will add though that I think it is imperative that children when they go to a friends house after school that they do not go anywhere near a house that has one of these dogs.
Jack Lis the 10 year old that was killed by an XL bully after going to a friends house after school.
His injuries were such that he could only be identified by his shoes.

The reason you discourage pulling is because it's part of promoting impulse control. It means they are having to focus on you the whole time and are less likely to be distracted by other things. It keeps them in the zone.

As soon as I saw the headline I knew it would on some dodgy estate. These never seem to happen in 'nice areas' and habitually always seem to be the pets of rough types.

A friend has got a proper Doberman guard dog that wouldn’t actually kill anybody but it would chase you until the ends of the Earth. It’s far better than any police helicopter or German Shepherd. This thing is relentless.
But it’s been trained and handled so well that once it’s found you it just pinned you to the ground and waits for help to arrive. It wouldn’t hurt a hair on your head.
He keeps it extremely well fed and looked after because the dog cost him 40 grand
If people want animals for security reasons that’s the calibre you’re looking for
These Excel bullies. I always think look half starved. They can’t be fed on a normal person’s income. It costs a fortune

In reports today two dogs were shot and a man has been arrested.

I'm seeing a few bullies that are just under the height limit to be an American Bully and therefore not subject to the legislation.

If this is anything like horse showing, they will be teaching these dogs how to measure under.

I met one the other day, unmuzzled, clearly an American Bully at maximum height allowed. As the owner walked towards me he put the dog against a wall and stuck his knee into the base of its neck, preventing it from running forwards because of the width of the shoulders behind his knee.

These killing machines are still on the streets.

Ah yes and that was the one where the video did indeed show one of her arms being pulled off by one of the two attacking dogs as confirmed by her parent.
She did a video singing to her dog with the words something like “I don’t give a fuck what you think about my dog”

Bloody hell!!

And people never break the rules and the law, of course. 🙄
They’ll only get a slap on the wrist if they do. So, it’s pointless.