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Another child killed by a dog...

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tnorfotkcab · 09/04/2026 22:08

Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

A Google street view of Hardale Grove. It is a residential cul-de-sac with cars parked on the pavement.

Child dies in Redcar dog attack, police say

Police remain at the scene in Dormanstown, where one dog was destroyed earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

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Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:44

takealettermsjones · 10/04/2026 13:40

I'm not saying he's an angry dog inherently, I was talking about if he were to turn, and thus turn very angry very quickly. In your home for instance. In that situation you wouldn't have the head collar on, would you? So without the head collar, could you physically restrain him if he went for someone in your home?

I wouldn't put him in a situation where he felt he needed to do that. If he is uncomfortable with something, I either remove him or the source of his discomfort long before it escalates to him feeling the need to defend himself.

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 13:46

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:44

I wouldn't put him in a situation where he felt he needed to do that. If he is uncomfortable with something, I either remove him or the source of his discomfort long before it escalates to him feeling the need to defend himself.

The point is if one day he completely unpredictably flips. You will be powerless to prevent injury or death to yourself or anyone else

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 13:47

takealettermsjones · 10/04/2026 13:33

Out of interest, do you think you could control him if he were to turn? Are you faster than him? Can you restrain 40kg of angry dog?

Exactly!
If you choose to share your home with an animal that can easily overpower and kill you then you are its pet / lunch.

SapphireSeptember · 10/04/2026 13:48

When the nine month old baby boy was killed last year I said anyone having XL bullies around kids is certifiable, the year before that a nine month old baby girl was attacked but survived (although with who knows what kind of injuries.) No one should have these kinds of dogs around kids.

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 13:49

cadburyegg · 09/04/2026 22:20

All XL bullies should be put to sleep. Otherwise we will just have 10 more years of this.

I want to agree, except I believe that as fast as you can bring XL Bullies to extinction, the usual suspects will all be back yard breeding the next big, potentially vicious dog that people of a certain type all want. The attacks will still happen, just the breed will have changed.

Perhaps we should be euthanising the stupid humans instead. Or at least putting serious effort and resources into stamping out unregulated, back yard breeding of certain types of dogs. Maybe making it law to spay and neuter all dogs.

Whosthetabbynow · 10/04/2026 13:50

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 13:03

Well it is at the moment. In the past, going way back, it was a GSD or a Doberman. Then it was the Rottweiler, the Pit Bull or some sort of Staffy/ Pit mix, then American bulldogs. Basically it's whichever fashionable 'tough guy' status breed is cropping up everywhere at that time. It could just as easily be any mastiff, an Akita or Rhodesian Ridgeback, or any strong, powerful, brave dog that can do serious damage if not properly handled, trained and socialised.
It will be a Cane Corso and/or Belgian Malinois that are the next breeds to be constantly making the headlines for all the wrong reasons, you mark my words.

Daschunds have a terrible reputation for biting, aggression and unpredictability, but because they are small, they do limited damage. Not the sort of damage that makes these awful headlines, thankfully. And also it's probably no coincidence that they tend to be owned by a different sort of person to the average XL Bully or Cane Corso owner, so are likely to be better trained and more intelligently handled.

What it almost never is, involved in these tragic attacks, is a breed that has no history of either fighting, guarding, hunting or baiting. And what it always is, is a breed which is currently the latest 'tough guy' status dog. They are bought by idiots who spend no time researching the traits of the breed, no time training and socialising them properly, or learning anything about dog psychology. Too many people don't understand, for example, that making intense eye contact with a dog and getting up in its face, even if you only want to give it a cuddle, can seem aggressive and indimidating to a dog, so it might well bite you in the face as a warning to back off. People will often 'play' with their dogs in a way that mimics aggressive or intimidating behaviour. They let their small children clamber all over their dogs and pull them around like toys, get right up into their faces, shrieking loudly and running around them without being remotely sensitive to the signs that the dog is stressed or uncomfortable, and then wonder why the dog turns, and bites.

I went to a seaside town a few days ago and it was incredibly busy with families out walking with dogs. One woman had a baby in a buggy and a dog which looked like an XL Bully type, or at least some sort of bull x breed, but it wasn't muzzled and just had an ordinary collar on, not a harness with any proper control.

That dog was a complete nightmare. Totally out of control. It lunged and snarled at every single other dog that walked past and the woman had a real struggle trying to keep hold of it. She was also trying to wheel her buggy at the same time. The dog could have slipped its collar at any time and attacked another dog. It clearly wasn't properly trained or socialised and she looked really stressed trying to manage it.

She literally had to stand on the spot for about 15 minutes, hanging onto this dog for dear life because there were so many people with dogs walking back and forth past her. She was trying to block the dog in with her child's buggy and both her legs, hanging onto the dog's collar with both hands to stop it from breaking free and savaging some passing cockapoo. She eventually turned around and went back the other way. Hopefully to take the bloody thing home. I was watching all this from a restaurant table, but I felt like going out and telling her she was stupid, stupid cow and her dog should be muzzled. I love dogs. Really love them. But not all of them are nice and some simply cannot be redeemed or trained to be good family pets.

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What possible enjoyment could the woman with the buggy have got from that? The things are fucking liabilities owned by the deeply unhinged

SapphireSeptember · 10/04/2026 13:50

Lindy2 · 10/04/2026 13:22

BBC News has just announced that the victim was a 3 month old baby girl.

2 dogs have been destroyed.

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Oh my god, that poor child.

Lemonthyme · 10/04/2026 13:50

The maximum sentence for a fatal dog attack is 14 years.

Presumably those who buy aggressive dogs are aware that if they kill someone they could face a custodial sentence, without the proof of intent.

That's already not a deterrent. And as I believe it's already illegal to own some of these dogs, the people who still do are unlikely to change.

The thing that worries me is the owners. It's small dogs which aren't likely to kill me that are the ones which have bitten me in the past and the same problems with bad owners are the issue.

Dog licences were abolished in the 80s, but perhaps they need to be reintroduced.

takealettermsjones · 10/04/2026 13:51

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:44

I wouldn't put him in a situation where he felt he needed to do that. If he is uncomfortable with something, I either remove him or the source of his discomfort long before it escalates to him feeling the need to defend himself.

So no then. Does that not bother you? Genuinely.

ThatLemonBee · 10/04/2026 13:54

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:30

So you actively chose that breed over another dog that would equally need a home, and with that comes a weight of responsibility to protect the pubic from your massive dog. Hence why you keep it under good control with a harness. Excellent.

I don’t need any puppy photos to try and convince me it’s some poor, helpless thing. It’s what they grow up into that concerns me.

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Not only what they grow up too as breeds have characteristics. This being said as I said before our previous to our current dog was a Doberman and I wasted 18 months training him . He adored everyone but it’s a breed breed specifically to protect the owners so training was a must . He was amazing never caused any harm to anyone and gave us 8 years of love .
the problem iis tu XL bullies is they where trained to kill and attack animals , they are not overly family protective dogs and they seem to be very instinct oriented . They will eventually snap hen nobody is waiting .

Wordsmithery · 10/04/2026 13:54

@HungryHungryLandsharks of course it's not crass to use this tragedy as evidence that a bam is needed. Many changes in law derived from tragedies.
It'd be far worse if we mourned the poor child without fighting for change at the same time.

Choochoobutho · 10/04/2026 13:56

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 13:43

One of those ripped my sisters face off in the 80’s.
Had a fight with a rotwiener - and won.
Nanny dogs indeed

exactly all this nanny dog bullshit that is trotted out.

I believe the man who referred to them as Nanny dogs back in the 20s or something had his own nephew ripped to bits by one of them!

I find it fascinating how these stupid old wives tales seem to stick 🙄

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/04/2026 13:57

FernandoSor · 10/04/2026 12:49

Dead children don't vote. Dog owners do. It's really as brutally simple as that.

I don’t even think it’s about votes, it’s just that the government would actually have to get off its (collective and metaphorical) arse, and actually sort it out.
Which takes time, money, hard work, and a proper infrastructure for the program to succeed.

Fuck me, they don’t even deport rapists, cos of ‘reasons’, so, this issue is nothing to them.

Which they clearly aren’t prepared to do.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:57

Whattodo1610 · 10/04/2026 13:37

Can you read??
OP’s words “We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation” … yet it’s apparently NOT an XL Bully. That was the point of my post. Why not go challenge someone else but actually read first, it may help.

Are you asking me if I can read?

Choochoobutho · 10/04/2026 13:57

BoyMumNurse · 10/04/2026 13:41

so not an XL Bully. It's a staffy cross.

All cut from the same cloth though aren’t they! Let’s not split hairs.

TheGander · 10/04/2026 14:01

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 13:49

I want to agree, except I believe that as fast as you can bring XL Bullies to extinction, the usual suspects will all be back yard breeding the next big, potentially vicious dog that people of a certain type all want. The attacks will still happen, just the breed will have changed.

Perhaps we should be euthanising the stupid humans instead. Or at least putting serious effort and resources into stamping out unregulated, back yard breeding of certain types of dogs. Maybe making it law to spay and neuter all dogs.

Thats true, XL bullies are a sociological phenomenon as much as a biological one. Round here ( south London) I see people walking term around, uncastrated and un muzzled. No way would I approach or challenge the owner, I cross to the other side of the road . Years ago I was charged by a staffie, and the owner told me it was my fault because I’d run away!

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/04/2026 14:03

Lindy2 · 10/04/2026 13:22

BBC News has just announced that the victim was a 3 month old baby girl.

2 dogs have been destroyed.

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Jesus. Rest easy, baby girl. 💐

Princejoffyjaffur · 10/04/2026 14:04

crumpetswithcheeze · 09/04/2026 22:26

Couldn’t agree more.

fuck it- let's put all people to sleep as well- there would be no more crime at all!

OonaStubbs · 10/04/2026 14:05

How many children have to die from dog attacks before something is done? Guns were cracked down on after the Dunblane massacre where 16 children were killed. Many times that many have been killed by dogs.

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 14:06

TheGander · 10/04/2026 14:01

Thats true, XL bullies are a sociological phenomenon as much as a biological one. Round here ( south London) I see people walking term around, uncastrated and un muzzled. No way would I approach or challenge the owner, I cross to the other side of the road . Years ago I was charged by a staffie, and the owner told me it was my fault because I’d run away!

People use their dogs to get away with things. The owner would like advertise his masculine prowess by strutting around with his testicles swinging for everyone to see. But he doesn't want to be arrested for indecent exposure so the dog does it for him.

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 14:06

RubyFlax · 09/04/2026 23:09

I read this article the other day about where these dogs go when they are seized and it was a real eye opener and quite terrifying.

The guy who they interviewed runs a kennels that takes the dogs from the police while they’re under investigation… he even said he dreads the holidays as he knows kids will get hurt / killed. It really is that predictable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewzw812dd1o

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That is horrifying reading and at the same time, really sad. What I simply do not understand is if they already know the very high aggression profiles of so many of these dogs, why do they continue to shelter them instead of just euthanising them instantly?

They can't possibly ever re-home those dogs, so what is the point of keeping them alive in such stressful conditions? As I said before, I adore dogs, but I refuse to get sentimental about keeping any dog alive if it's really not in anyone's best interests to do so. The dog doesn't know it's going to die. It can be euthanised peacefully and painlessly and then the problem is solved. Why spend so much money that could be used to help dogs with a good chance of a better future, instead of keeping hundreds of killing machines alive absolutely pointlessly? Nobody loves them, nobody wants them and they live stressed, unhappy existences. It would be kinder all round to just put them all to sleep as soon as they've been assessed as a danger.

BoyMumNurse · 10/04/2026 14:07

Helpingoutwithasdkids · 10/04/2026 13:20

XL bullies literally are bad dogs regardless of owner as every single one regardless of how well it’s trained or not etc has the genetic predisposition to suddenly snap and kill.

that's just ignorance talking.

in low income areas where these dogs are a status symbol the stats are damming. But in areas like hampshire and the isle of wight where the oiks live cane corsos have the highest stats of attacks. Everything with these dogs behaviour are influenced by humans.

Cocabuta · 10/04/2026 14:07

Choochoobutho · 10/04/2026 13:57

All cut from the same cloth though aren’t they! Let’s not split hairs.

I agree. I remember in the early noughties walking home from my evening job around 8pm and a horrible Staffy type dog had presumably escaped from a nearby house and it was barking horribly at me and not moving from the path. Somehow I got past it and rang the closest doorbell which luckily was my friends parents house. They were lovely and let me in immediately and waited for a while before me and her oldest sister went out to her car. By this time it was getting dark and it was still there and going crazy at both of us following us to the road where her car was. We really thought one or both of us was going to be ripped apart. But we got into her car and she took me home safely .

A friend of mine I used to babysit for got a staffy and I told her I couldn’t babysit for her anymore since I wasn’t going to be in that house alone with the dogs and children. A few years later her middle child was bit on the face by the same dog.

I made the right call - I steer clear from all
those bully breeds. XL bullies to me are the worst of a bad bunch, but it doesn’t mean the others are any good either.

TheGander · 10/04/2026 14:07

💯 @Gostraight2hellnowtrump

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/04/2026 14:08

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 14:06

That is horrifying reading and at the same time, really sad. What I simply do not understand is if they already know the very high aggression profiles of so many of these dogs, why do they continue to shelter them instead of just euthanising them instantly?

They can't possibly ever re-home those dogs, so what is the point of keeping them alive in such stressful conditions? As I said before, I adore dogs, but I refuse to get sentimental about keeping any dog alive if it's really not in anyone's best interests to do so. The dog doesn't know it's going to die. It can be euthanised peacefully and painlessly and then the problem is solved. Why spend so much money that could be used to help dogs with a good chance of a better future, instead of keeping hundreds of killing machines alive absolutely pointlessly? Nobody loves them, nobody wants them and they live stressed, unhappy existences. It would be kinder all round to just put them all to sleep as soon as they've been assessed as a danger.

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