Another child killed by a dog...

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Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

You’re supposed to be on the side of the dead babies - not defending the dogs.

That is an awful read so many horrific details of the injuries. Especially the babies with punctured heads

They've just said it wasn't a banned breed which means all the morons that defend XL bullies can cite this as an example of the fact that any dog can bite etc.

It may not be a banned breed but I bet it's not a cavapoo or similar.

it will be a huge dog with aggressive traits and I can only assume the IQ / social standing of someone that owns such a dog with a child in the house.

Poor little girl 😢

That is horrifying reading and at the same time, really sad. What I simply do not understand is if they already know the very high aggression profiles of so many of these dogs, why do they continue to shelter them instead of just euthanising them instantly

I don’t know if it’s red tape or something but in the U.S. recently a woman died in hospital after a severe attacks from a dog. Her family were interviewed saying how angry they were that it was weeks since the attack and the dog hadn’t been put down yet. I don’t get it either but it’s horrible!

It should be done almost immediately after they’ve got any necessary evidence/testing etc from the dog.

I can imagine in America some people are pretty litigious and the system allows for that, but I’m not sure about why they delay things in the UK?

‘A 45-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of being in charge of a dog dangerously out of control and causing injury resulting in death. He has been released on conditional bail.‘

I posted this upthread. I wonder what the jail time is for having a dangerously out of control dog causing an injury resulting in death. Anyone know?

I'll put good money that the dog met several of the criteria listed in @Frequency's excellent post

1. No able-bodied person available to intervene (87.1%): The victim was alone or unsupervised.
2. Victim was a stranger to the dog (85.2%): Incidental or no familiar relationship between the victim and the dog.
3. Dogs were sexually intact (84.4%): The dogs involved were not neutered or spayed.
4. Victim unable to handle/manage dogs due to age or condition (77.4%): The victim was physically or mentally compromised.
5. Dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interaction (76.2%): The dogs were not kept as family pets, but rather as resident dogs, chained, or confined.
6. Prior incidents with mishandling/mismanagement of dogs (37.5%): Owner had previous knowledge of the dog's dangerous behavior.
7. Abuse and neglect of dogs (21.1%): The dog had been subjected to abuse or neglect.

I have been attack by 2 dogs in my life. neither were bullies of any kind. so does your anecdote trump mine.

I do wish people would research statistics instead of relying on their own limited experience and shit they've been told

14 years imprisonment. It's upthread

Now you're going to try and argue that these dogs are perfectly fine to keep as pets provided all those conditions don't apply.

Let’s see what he gets. My bet is absolutely nothing.

Reported.

Personally, I'm on the side of education and prevention. I find knee-jerk reactions, repeating myths like lockjaw, and laws proven to be ineffective to be useless when it comes to prevention.

By 'these dogs' you presumably mean 'dogs that aren't banned'. In which case yes, dogs that aren't banned are perfectly fine to keep. Did you have any more prophecies to share?

I was just about to ask you in regards to your earlier posts what’s the point of saying “there’s no bad dogs?it’s the owners”

It’s such a daft and meaningless thing to say.

If someone’s face gets ripped off or their kid is lying dead, it’s zero help to anyone to say it’s the owners fault that the dog did it.
At the end of the day whether it’s a result of the dogs temperament or the outcome of bad training or a bit of both (which is often the case) - the fact is dogs that are capable of such violence have no place in society.

There will always be bad owners so if dogs are so powerful they can and commonly do inflict terrible injury and in some cases kill grown men, obviously no one should own them. There’s no way of identifying or stopping the so-called “bad owners” from having these dogs which are potentially weapons . It’s the same reason most people aren’t keen on guns being allowed.

Oh and what do the stats show? That certain breeds such as XL bullies and other bully breeds disproportionately are responsible for fatal and severe attacks.

I think you're forgetting the main category of owner, that people get XLs and dogs like them in the past (the trend for staffies/huskies and now I see a lot of alsatians as well that I havent seen for years in numbers like today) - they get those dogs because they want a dangerous, aggressive and scary looking dog

Its purposeful

Should use both. There is growing evidence that most XLs in the UK have a common ancestor a few generations back. It is entirely possible to back trace from that. Said ancestor was notably vicious and absolutely huge. He sired hundreds of puppies.

You think a Labrador killed someone?

Well statistically it quite possibly does trump yours, yes, on the basis of being a disproportionately common anecdote for that breed, compared to most other breeds.

Why do you think certain breeds earn a bad rep while others don't? If you google dog attacks that have ended tragically and made the headlines in the last 5 years for example, how many of them are not from a very exclusive list of certain bull x breeds or mastiff type dogs?

Given that in the last few years we've been absolutely awash with cockapoos and labradoodles, golden retrievers, French bulldogs, daschunds and vizslas, why don't we see any horror stories about them in the press? I can guarantee they won't all have been bought by intelligent, responsible people who understand how to train and raise a dog, and yet, as badly trained and unmanageable as they might be, they don't appear to be ripping many people's throats out.

Pit Bulls are a newish American cross breed, only appearing in the 1980s. A mix of traditional bull fighting breeds and possibly some sort of Mastiff for size. The first one I ever saw was in around 1987, owned by a young man known to be a drug dealer, he had bought him from the States. Scary looking dog, much bigger than a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, his face covered in scars that looked as though they had been getting him to kill cats.
XL bullies have taken that up another notch by more cross breeding for muscle, size and aggression.
Not all breeds originally bred for bull fighting are problematic. Bulldogs are generally quite laid back. They aren’t usually aggressive. Staffies can be stroppy or soppy, they have the terrier feistiness but more chunk, and would have been used as ratters , not just for fighting. English bull terriers are generally not very aggressive. Of course all bull breeds are strong, but there is something weird about XL Bullies, the way they can suddenly flip, and they are a lot more powerful than your average Staffordshire or English Bull Terrier.
In this tragic case, the victim was a small baby, and in that situation even a small dog can inflict fatal injuries. It seems the dog responsible was some sort of bull breed cross ?

Somebody up thread mentioned guns.
With these XL bully dogs and other vicious beasts on the streets I see the UK being no different to a f-ing jungle now, so, yes, in the interest of self-defence, maybe we SHOULD be allowed guns now.
Oh no can't have guns! Can have these beasts roaming the land, though.
That's OK.
What a f-ing stupid country this is.

Any country with any sense would have just culled the damned things or shoot them on sight.

Very well said! I live in an apartment Building with lots of cockapoos etc and as annoying and irresponsible as some of their owners are I don’t fear for my life or safety, in the same the way I would if those same people owned an XL bully or staffy.

Are you sure they are Alsations/GSDs and not Belgian Malinois? They look quite similar, but the BMs are hugely popular at the moment. They are truly amazing dogs but absolutely NOT good family pets in inexperienced and irresponsible hands.

According to Teeside Live neighbours are reporting the dogs as pocket bullies.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/dog-bite-child-death-dormanstown-33744711