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Another child killed by a dog...

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tnorfotkcab · 09/04/2026 22:08

Another poor child is killed by a dog.... We already know this is an XL Bully, don't even have to wait for confirmation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

A Google street view of Hardale Grove. It is a residential cul-de-sac with cars parked on the pavement.

Child dies in Redcar dog attack, police say

Police remain at the scene in Dormanstown, where one dog was destroyed earlier.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce35zkl9dg3o

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YourWinter · 10/04/2026 12:40

AlphaApple · 10/04/2026 12:29

Of course not. But it would weed out the idiots and low-level scum.

Driver's licences, traffic lights and car MOTs don't stop car accidents but we still think they are a good idea.

Seriously, I’d like to know how it would be clear that all licensed dogs would not be a bite risk, and how being an idiot and low-level (or even high-level) scum has any relevance as to whether they possessed a licence? The licence would name the owner and perhaps link to the dog’s microchip. How exactly would that licence, at any price, ensure the safety of children or adults in the family, wider visiting family or friends, or the public? I just don’t see any correlation between licenses and a reduction in dog aggression.

ETA I’m old enough to remember going to the post office with my mum to buy a licence at 7s 6d for the various dogs we had through my childhood - two border collies and a GSD x foxhound!

LordofMisrule1 · 10/04/2026 12:46

People who say 'it's the owner not the dog' smugly never seem to take that stance to its logical conclusion.

Even IF it's the owner's fault when a dog mauls or kills someone, so what? Apportioning blame doesn't change the outcome or bring the person back.

So, so many innocent adults, children and babies have died in one of the most gruesome, painful and terrifying deaths imaginable, at the jaws of these animals.

When the owner is killed I don't feel as much sorrow tbh as their stupidity and hubris could have got someone innocent killed. I'm just glad it wasn't someone who did nothing to deserve being near one of these dogs.

But when it's an innocent child whose parents have failed on the most fundamental of levels to protect them, who has willingly chosen to force them to live around such a dangerous animal, it's just sickening.

Or a random person just trying to live their lives, going about their business, attacked and killed in broad daylight, for nothing.

The injustice is unbearable.

FernandoSor · 10/04/2026 12:49

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 10/04/2026 10:52

Ahh. What’s a few dead kids here and there, eh?
The dogs are their owners are obviously the important ones in this situation. 🙄

Dead children don't vote. Dog owners do. It's really as brutally simple as that.

tnorfotkcab · 10/04/2026 12:51

FernandoSor · 10/04/2026 12:49

Dead children don't vote. Dog owners do. It's really as brutally simple as that.

Same problem as in the US. Thousands s of children are shot dead, but they still won't ban guns.

Maybe if the presidents or governor's kids were the ones shit and killed they might seek to change the laws.

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GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 12:52

YourWinter · 10/04/2026 12:40

Seriously, I’d like to know how it would be clear that all licensed dogs would not be a bite risk, and how being an idiot and low-level (or even high-level) scum has any relevance as to whether they possessed a licence? The licence would name the owner and perhaps link to the dog’s microchip. How exactly would that licence, at any price, ensure the safety of children or adults in the family, wider visiting family or friends, or the public? I just don’t see any correlation between licenses and a reduction in dog aggression.

ETA I’m old enough to remember going to the post office with my mum to buy a licence at 7s 6d for the various dogs we had through my childhood - two border collies and a GSD x foxhound!

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Similar to a theory test. If you pass, you can have a dog (of a certain breed). To have other breeds, you have to meet a higher standard by demonstrating your experience. People like me who already have one of those guardian type working breeds that I think should require higher standards should have to pass the test to be able to have the freedoms we currently do. Like off leash walking/no muzzle etc.

I do think that everyone should pass some sort of test to be able to let dogs off their lead at all.

takealettermsjones · 10/04/2026 12:53

FernandoSor · 10/04/2026 12:49

Dead children don't vote. Dog owners do. It's really as brutally simple as that.

Votes needn't have anything to do with it. If the parties had the mettle to stand together on this and do what's right for people's safety, election results would be irrelevant.

Frequency · 10/04/2026 12:54

If we want to reduce dog bites, we need to accept that the DDA does not work in its current form and that banning breeds is at best useless.

The focus needs to be on education, not breed. You only need to read any dog thread to see that 99% of the UK population is dangerously clueless when it comes to canine behaviour.

Studies have shown that countries that prioritise education and incentivise responsible dog ownership have far greater success in reducing dog bites than those that focus on breeds.

There are also studies that show breed is far less relevant than the circumstances surrounding the bite and the long-term handling of the dog. The Breeds responsible for spates of bites vary depending on trends/fashion.

A 2013 study into dog bite fatalities identified that there are 4 or more of the following circumstances in over 80% of cases:

  1. No able-bodied person available to intervene (87.1%): The victim was alone or unsupervised.
  2. Victim was a stranger to the dog (85.2%): Incidental or no familiar relationship between the victim and the dog.
  3. Dogs were sexually intact (84.4%): The dogs involved were not neutered or spayed.
  4. Victim unable to handle/manage dogs due to age or condition (77.4%): The victim was physically or mentally compromised.
  5. Dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interaction (76.2%): The dogs were not kept as family pets, but rather as resident dogs, chained, or confined.
  6. Prior incidents with mishandling/mismanagement of dogs (37.5%): Owner had previous knowledge of the dog's dangerous behavior.
  7. Abuse and neglect of dogs (21.1%): The dog had been subjected to abuse or neglect.

The same study found breed not to be a factor when predicting the likelihood of a dog bite incident occurring, and identified that the breeds involved were often misidentified in the media, and, less often, but still significantly, misidentified by police.

takealettermsjones · 10/04/2026 12:55

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 12:52

Similar to a theory test. If you pass, you can have a dog (of a certain breed). To have other breeds, you have to meet a higher standard by demonstrating your experience. People like me who already have one of those guardian type working breeds that I think should require higher standards should have to pass the test to be able to have the freedoms we currently do. Like off leash walking/no muzzle etc.

I do think that everyone should pass some sort of test to be able to let dogs off their lead at all.

I agree. I also think there should be a physical strength/fitness test to own a dog over a certain weight.

Helpingoutwithasdkids · 10/04/2026 13:01

tnorfotkcab · 10/04/2026 12:34

until those "brilliant well trained" dogs kill a child... I'm sure that the previous owners if killer dogs thought they were lovely,well trained dogs.

This is exactly the problem with these dogs - they can be brilliantly well behaved, gentle even , big but friendly the issue is they have something genetically wrong and they can change in an instant and kill. There’s no inbetween once that weakness is activated. Any training and love for their owners is gone in a split second.

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 13:03

tnorfotkcab · 09/04/2026 22:11

Its always an XL Bully.

Well it is at the moment. In the past, going way back, it was a GSD or a Doberman. Then it was the Rottweiler, the Pit Bull or some sort of Staffy/ Pit mix, then American bulldogs. Basically it's whichever fashionable 'tough guy' status breed is cropping up everywhere at that time. It could just as easily be any mastiff, an Akita or Rhodesian Ridgeback, or any strong, powerful, brave dog that can do serious damage if not properly handled, trained and socialised.
It will be a Cane Corso and/or Belgian Malinois that are the next breeds to be constantly making the headlines for all the wrong reasons, you mark my words.

Daschunds have a terrible reputation for biting, aggression and unpredictability, but because they are small, they do limited damage. Not the sort of damage that makes these awful headlines, thankfully. And also it's probably no coincidence that they tend to be owned by a different sort of person to the average XL Bully or Cane Corso owner, so are likely to be better trained and more intelligently handled.

What it almost never is, involved in these tragic attacks, is a breed that has no history of either fighting, guarding, hunting or baiting. And what it always is, is a breed which is currently the latest 'tough guy' status dog. They are bought by idiots who spend no time researching the traits of the breed, no time training and socialising them properly, or learning anything about dog psychology. Too many people don't understand, for example, that making intense eye contact with a dog and getting up in its face, even if you only want to give it a cuddle, can seem aggressive and indimidating to a dog, so it might well bite you in the face as a warning to back off. People will often 'play' with their dogs in a way that mimics aggressive or intimidating behaviour. They let their small children clamber all over their dogs and pull them around like toys, get right up into their faces, shrieking loudly and running around them without being remotely sensitive to the signs that the dog is stressed or uncomfortable, and then wonder why the dog turns, and bites.

I went to a seaside town a few days ago and it was incredibly busy with families out walking with dogs. One woman had a baby in a buggy and a dog which looked like an XL Bully type, or at least some sort of bull x breed, but it wasn't muzzled and just had an ordinary collar on, not a harness with any proper control.

That dog was a complete nightmare. Totally out of control. It lunged and snarled at every single other dog that walked past and the woman had a real struggle trying to keep hold of it. She was also trying to wheel her buggy at the same time. The dog could have slipped its collar at any time and attacked another dog. It clearly wasn't properly trained or socialised and she looked really stressed trying to manage it.

She literally had to stand on the spot for about 15 minutes, hanging onto this dog for dear life because there were so many people with dogs walking back and forth past her. She was trying to block the dog in with her child's buggy and both her legs, hanging onto the dog's collar with both hands to stop it from breaking free and savaging some passing cockapoo. She eventually turned around and went back the other way. Hopefully to take the bloody thing home. I was watching all this from a restaurant table, but I felt like going out and telling her she was stupid, stupid cow and her dog should be muzzled. I love dogs. Really love them. But not all of them are nice and some simply cannot be redeemed or trained to be good family pets.

mrsCtheRed · 10/04/2026 13:06

TwoSwannits · 10/04/2026 13:03

Well it is at the moment. In the past, going way back, it was a GSD or a Doberman. Then it was the Rottweiler, the Pit Bull or some sort of Staffy/ Pit mix, then American bulldogs. Basically it's whichever fashionable 'tough guy' status breed is cropping up everywhere at that time. It could just as easily be any mastiff, an Akita or Rhodesian Ridgeback, or any strong, powerful, brave dog that can do serious damage if not properly handled, trained and socialised.
It will be a Cane Corso and/or Belgian Malinois that are the next breeds to be constantly making the headlines for all the wrong reasons, you mark my words.

Daschunds have a terrible reputation for biting, aggression and unpredictability, but because they are small, they do limited damage. Not the sort of damage that makes these awful headlines, thankfully. And also it's probably no coincidence that they tend to be owned by a different sort of person to the average XL Bully or Cane Corso owner, so are likely to be better trained and more intelligently handled.

What it almost never is, involved in these tragic attacks, is a breed that has no history of either fighting, guarding, hunting or baiting. And what it always is, is a breed which is currently the latest 'tough guy' status dog. They are bought by idiots who spend no time researching the traits of the breed, no time training and socialising them properly, or learning anything about dog psychology. Too many people don't understand, for example, that making intense eye contact with a dog and getting up in its face, even if you only want to give it a cuddle, can seem aggressive and indimidating to a dog, so it might well bite you in the face as a warning to back off. People will often 'play' with their dogs in a way that mimics aggressive or intimidating behaviour. They let their small children clamber all over their dogs and pull them around like toys, get right up into their faces, shrieking loudly and running around them without being remotely sensitive to the signs that the dog is stressed or uncomfortable, and then wonder why the dog turns, and bites.

I went to a seaside town a few days ago and it was incredibly busy with families out walking with dogs. One woman had a baby in a buggy and a dog which looked like an XL Bully type, or at least some sort of bull x breed, but it wasn't muzzled and just had an ordinary collar on, not a harness with any proper control.

That dog was a complete nightmare. Totally out of control. It lunged and snarled at every single other dog that walked past and the woman had a real struggle trying to keep hold of it. She was also trying to wheel her buggy at the same time. The dog could have slipped its collar at any time and attacked another dog. It clearly wasn't properly trained or socialised and she looked really stressed trying to manage it.

She literally had to stand on the spot for about 15 minutes, hanging onto this dog for dear life because there were so many people with dogs walking back and forth past her. She was trying to block the dog in with her child's buggy and both her legs, hanging onto the dog's collar with both hands to stop it from breaking free and savaging some passing cockapoo. She eventually turned around and went back the other way. Hopefully to take the bloody thing home. I was watching all this from a restaurant table, but I felt like going out and telling her she was stupid, stupid cow and her dog should be muzzled. I love dogs. Really love them. But not all of them are nice and some simply cannot be redeemed or trained to be good family pets.

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100% this 👏

What a stupid woman 🤦🏽‍♀️

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 13:07

When you have a guardian breed, your house has to operate in a slightly different way. It can't be as open. You can't let people just stream in and out. You have to desensitise your dog to what is normal behaviour in your home, and keep that relatively stable.

It's not different to any dog. That's how you have a happy, well balanced dog. But yes the consequences of not having one are more severe when you have a guardian breed.

I would say part of having a well balanced dog is that by the time they are adults, they reliably look to you for instructions before responding to a surprise situation. So if some kids start play fighting, they'll look to you if they arent sure what's going on before deciding what to do themselves. That IS something you teach.

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 13:08

The problem with a harness is that they encourage some dogs to pull more, especially if that's part of what they're bred to do.

AlphaApple · 10/04/2026 13:09

YourWinter · 10/04/2026 12:40

Seriously, I’d like to know how it would be clear that all licensed dogs would not be a bite risk, and how being an idiot and low-level (or even high-level) scum has any relevance as to whether they possessed a licence? The licence would name the owner and perhaps link to the dog’s microchip. How exactly would that licence, at any price, ensure the safety of children or adults in the family, wider visiting family or friends, or the public? I just don’t see any correlation between licenses and a reduction in dog aggression.

ETA I’m old enough to remember going to the post office with my mum to buy a licence at 7s 6d for the various dogs we had through my childhood - two border collies and a GSD x foxhound!

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Because the idiots and the low level scum would not even get through the paperwork to apply for a licence and own a dog in the first place…

It’s not that hard to understand. No, it won’t stop every single dog attack. Yes, it will reduce the number of bad owners and dangerous dogs.

BoyMumNurse · 10/04/2026 13:13

there are no bad dogs. Only bad owners. the types that buy XL bullies are always 'hardmen' chavs trying to prove something, coming from violent homes who most likely mistreat the animals. I grew up in places where violence is the norm. its no wonder these poor dogs are aggressive.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:14

tnorfotkcab · 10/04/2026 12:51

Same problem as in the US. Thousands s of children are shot dead, but they still won't ban guns.

Maybe if the presidents or governor's kids were the ones shit and killed they might seek to change the laws.

The right to bear arms is buried deep in the constitution and the gun lobby is incredibly powerful politically. We don’t have anywhere near the red tape to wade through to make culling these dogs happen and yet we seemingly can’t make it happen because of weak government.

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 13:16

25 million to house the monsters, they all need culling

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 13:16

The pet industry will lobby hard against any barriers to pet ownership.
Particularly dog ownership because dog owners can be easily manipulated into paying huge sums of money on account of their pets.
All the adverts where dogs are spoken about as if they were human; this tactic is used because it's an easy way of getting people to spend more money on the animal.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:17

AlphaApple · 10/04/2026 13:09

Because the idiots and the low level scum would not even get through the paperwork to apply for a licence and own a dog in the first place…

It’s not that hard to understand. No, it won’t stop every single dog attack. Yes, it will reduce the number of bad owners and dangerous dogs.

It also makes it very quick to scan the animal for a chip, see if it has a license, if it doesn’t and it fits the criteria to be considered a dangerous dog breed then assume it has no owner and euthanase. Another one gone. Yippee.

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 13:17

BoyMumNurse · 10/04/2026 13:13

there are no bad dogs. Only bad owners. the types that buy XL bullies are always 'hardmen' chavs trying to prove something, coming from violent homes who most likely mistreat the animals. I grew up in places where violence is the norm. its no wonder these poor dogs are aggressive.

There are bad dogs

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:18

GlovedhandsCecilia · 10/04/2026 13:08

The problem with a harness is that they encourage some dogs to pull more, especially if that's part of what they're bred to do.

Utility harnesses with various handles allow you better control of your dog in emergencies/potentially dangerous situations. I have one for my 40 kg guardian breed. It means I can lift his front end off the ground without hurting him very quickly if I need to stop his forward momentum (usually to stop him bolting from flocks of crows). I can also use both handles on his back to lift him entirely off the ground.

But I agree, they can encourage pulling. They should be used in conjunction with a head collar for strong pulling breeds. On mine, I have one end of the lead on his head collar and one on the front D ring of his utility harness.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:18

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 13:16

The pet industry will lobby hard against any barriers to pet ownership.
Particularly dog ownership because dog owners can be easily manipulated into paying huge sums of money on account of their pets.
All the adverts where dogs are spoken about as if they were human; this tactic is used because it's an easy way of getting people to spend more money on the animal.

Who is The Pet Industry?

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 13:18

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:14

The right to bear arms is buried deep in the constitution and the gun lobby is incredibly powerful politically. We don’t have anywhere near the red tape to wade through to make culling these dogs happen and yet we seemingly can’t make it happen because of weak government.

I think one problem is that the empty vessels who own these dogs are the ones who make the most noise.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/04/2026 13:19

Frequency · 10/04/2026 13:18

Utility harnesses with various handles allow you better control of your dog in emergencies/potentially dangerous situations. I have one for my 40 kg guardian breed. It means I can lift his front end off the ground without hurting him very quickly if I need to stop his forward momentum (usually to stop him bolting from flocks of crows). I can also use both handles on his back to lift him entirely off the ground.

But I agree, they can encourage pulling. They should be used in conjunction with a head collar for strong pulling breeds. On mine, I have one end of the lead on his head collar and one on the front D ring of his utility harness.

Why do you have a 40kg guardian breed? For what purpose?

Gostraight2hellnowtrump · 10/04/2026 13:20

PartQualifiedAcca · 10/04/2026 13:17

There are bad dogs

Animals lack the ability to make moral choices, therefore it doesn't make sense to call them good or bad.

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