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Update to AIBU to refuse Aunt's fwb claim on her estate.

454 replies

Sleepneededprettyplease · 07/04/2026 17:52

Posting here because it is where I put the first thread.

A brief summery is that my Aunt died and her FWB is trying to say that he is entitled to part of her estate because she had asked me to allow him to stay in a house she had invested in for me. Anyway if you want the full story feel free to read what I put on the first thread.

Anyway the main thing is that he is now sueing in the courts. I need a bit of a hand hold please. My lawyers have suggested getting a barristers opinion so I am just waiting for that. I wouldn't even mind if it was possible to just go to mediation but he wants the house for the rest of his life and won't consider anything else.

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OP posts:
Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 06:59

YourJoyousDenimExpert · 07/04/2026 23:12

Is he paying any bills? How long until you can execute the eviction order? Can you bring it forward ?
i am so angry on your behalf OP - not at all what your Aunt intended for you. What a dreadful man.

He pays all the bills. I can force him out in late May so a while yet.

OP posts:
Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 07:01

TofuTuesday · 07/04/2026 23:43

Why is the will being considered? If op owned the house before her aunt died and the friend signed something to say he knew this, has put bills in his names, and was meant to pay rent it sounds as though a tenancy has arisen, and the eviction is in progress.

Yes but he is sueing her estate saying that he was a dependent and therefore needs to stay in the house.

OP posts:
Elektra1 · 08/04/2026 07:03

Shouldgivethisup · 07/04/2026 19:24

There is a route re co sets that may be possible; you may be able to get an order to compel him to pay your likely costs into court, on the grounds that his case is rubbish. My mate had to remortgage when he was up against a corporate opponent but he won, that was a mean trick they played on him.

given he has no legal docs to prove his claim I think a good lawyer should be able to push for that. He will fold under the pressure and no ‘no win no fee’ firm will stump up eg 50k xx

You cannot get security for costs against an individual, other than in very limited circumstances the most commonly used of which is that the individual lives abroad. It’s unlikely from what OP has said that either that or any of the other prescribed circumstances will apply here.

OP the early dismissal your lawyer is talking about will be an application for strike-out or summary judgment (probably the latter as strike-out is much harder to get). Summary judgment is only appropriate for a case which can be decided without significant evidence of fact. If your man’s claim involves assertions about promises made by the deceased, that would be a significant issue of fact likely to cause a judge to say it could only be determined at trial after evidence has been heard.

Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 07:13

MeTooOverHere · 08/04/2026 00:36

Just list it for sale with him in there.
He has no lease so he will need to allow viewings at any time and new owners will be under no obligation.

I won't get a fractof the value with the state he has it in. The estate agents told me not to do this.

OP posts:
Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 07:15

Elektra1 · 08/04/2026 07:03

You cannot get security for costs against an individual, other than in very limited circumstances the most commonly used of which is that the individual lives abroad. It’s unlikely from what OP has said that either that or any of the other prescribed circumstances will apply here.

OP the early dismissal your lawyer is talking about will be an application for strike-out or summary judgment (probably the latter as strike-out is much harder to get). Summary judgment is only appropriate for a case which can be decided without significant evidence of fact. If your man’s claim involves assertions about promises made by the deceased, that would be a significant issue of fact likely to cause a judge to say it could only be determined at trial after evidence has been heard.

Thanks for clarifying. I am finding it all so overwhelming that I get muddled about what I am being told.

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Itsmetheflamingo · 08/04/2026 07:16

Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 07:13

I won't get a fractof the value with the state he has it in. The estate agents told me not to do this.

There is zero chance of him allowing viewings anyway so it would be pointless

ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 08/04/2026 07:17

Sleepneededprettyplease · 07/04/2026 18:27

I mean I will try and claim them but chances aren't great given he is pretty broke.

There is no way this will fly. Can you imagine all the cases that would arise if this was successful. Unless he has ratified paperwork to back up his claim, he's mad to even bring this claim.

Does he know what he's getting into with costs etc? If not, someone needs to have a word with him.

JohnofWessex · 08/04/2026 07:41

I would suggest asking that if he does go to court he first has to put the money up to pay the estates costs if he loses

Itsmetheflamingo · 08/04/2026 08:24

JohnofWessex · 08/04/2026 07:41

I would suggest asking that if he does go to court he first has to put the money up to pay the estates costs if he loses

Ask?! What would be the point in that?

MeTooOverHere · 08/04/2026 08:25

Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 07:13

I won't get a fractof the value with the state he has it in. The estate agents told me not to do this.

You can do it to scare him though. Get a couple of agents to do a walk through. Let him know that sale is on the cards. Just ignore him when he protests.

He is trying to psyche you out, so you return fire with fire.

Is he an actual tenant or just someone who was given permission to live there? Why is he paying all the bills? Homeowners bills as well as his own consumer use bills?

Seelybe · 08/04/2026 08:26

Ah, that's the bit that wasn't clear before.
And is presumably the loophole he's relying on.
What a mess for you to have to now resolve. Such a shame your aunt's best intentions are being undermined like this.

Itsmetheflamingo · 08/04/2026 08:34

MeTooOverHere · 08/04/2026 08:25

You can do it to scare him though. Get a couple of agents to do a walk through. Let him know that sale is on the cards. Just ignore him when he protests.

He is trying to psyche you out, so you return fire with fire.

Is he an actual tenant or just someone who was given permission to live there? Why is he paying all the bills? Homeowners bills as well as his own consumer use bills?

im not sure what sort of set up you’re envisioning but he won’t let them in. You really think agents are going to walk around a conflicted property?

thats if he hasn’t done the obvious thing of changing the locks anyway.

LamentableShoes · 08/04/2026 08:39

Seelybe · 08/04/2026 08:26

Ah, that's the bit that wasn't clear before.
And is presumably the loophole he's relying on.
What a mess for you to have to now resolve. Such a shame your aunt's best intentions are being undermined like this.

Which bit do you mean?

So sorry you are going through this OP. It sounds like whatever happens, he has made it very unpleasant.

Triskellion75 · 08/04/2026 08:52

What an absolute bastard. Don't give in, he's got no chance. He's just trying to force you to do what he wants.

itsalltoplayfor · 08/04/2026 08:58

I can force him out in late May
Then this is what you do, bailiffs if necessary. He is a chancer who saw an opportunity for free housing for life and is now going to drag it out. You need to stay strong minded, think of your aunt and your hopes for the future. He is a leech that needs removing (legally!)

Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 09:23

MeTooOverHere · 08/04/2026 08:25

You can do it to scare him though. Get a couple of agents to do a walk through. Let him know that sale is on the cards. Just ignore him when he protests.

He is trying to psyche you out, so you return fire with fire.

Is he an actual tenant or just someone who was given permission to live there? Why is he paying all the bills? Homeowners bills as well as his own consumer use bills?

Already had the estate agents in. He knows what is on the cards. He had a formal letter from solicitors that when he leaves he is to give the keys to the estate agent that we have decided on.

He is a tenant of sorts but I messed up on the forms so they aren't technically binding. They show clear intent from all parties that he would be a tenant though. I just missed a bit.

OP posts:
LondonPapa · 08/04/2026 09:35

Sleepneededprettyplease · 07/04/2026 21:22

I have that order and can enforce in a few months. I think he won't go despite agreeing he would. I dread to think it but it will probably mean bailiffs. I am shaking just thinking of it.

Why can’t you enforce now?

Bulbsbulbsbulbs · 08/04/2026 09:36

As a bit of a warning the house I'm in now was subject to a very similar court case before I bought it. I found out that the court costs ended up being £300k.

ProfessorSlocombe · 08/04/2026 09:46

Itsmetheflamingo · 07/04/2026 18:21

He’s not going to pay hers is he? That’s the real fucker, even if you win you’ll be thousands down. I hope he gives in soon OP.

Order to secure costs
Request to strike out claim.
Request for summary judgement.

Mcdhotchoc · 08/04/2026 09:49

What a knob. Go hell for leather evicting him from your house.
How much money is in the actual estate? Is he really after a nuisance payment?

Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 09:59

LondonPapa · 08/04/2026 09:35

Why can’t you enforce now?

Because the legal paperwork signed by the court says late may.

OP posts:
Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 10:00

Bulbsbulbsbulbs · 08/04/2026 09:36

As a bit of a warning the house I'm in now was subject to a very similar court case before I bought it. I found out that the court costs ended up being £300k.

I really dread this. I don't know how to avoid it.

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Imbusytodaysorry · 08/04/2026 10:07

Sleepneededprettyplease · 07/04/2026 19:59

No he has signed to say he is a tenet and also sent an email asking me to fill in a form as his landlord.

And what did you do ?

Sleepneededprettyplease · 08/04/2026 10:14

Imbusytodaysorry · 08/04/2026 10:07

And what did you do ?

It was before all of this so I confirmed i was his landlord

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ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 08/04/2026 10:15

ProfessorSlocombe · 08/04/2026 09:46

Order to secure costs
Request to strike out claim.
Request for summary judgement.

This. Get a summary hearing to strike out the claim as a first move. It would be the relatively cheap thing to do and when you win, claim the costs from him. Even if he has to pay a tenner a week, it will cost him.

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