Panorama - is the XL Bully Ban working

[SaltandPepper22]

Discussion thread.

Personally I can’t understand why they weren’t all just rounded up and destroyed - all of the exemption nonsense just muddied the water.

I do also agree though that there is a problem of ownership; no one should be allowed to have these dogs but there needs to be tighter controls on dog ownership in general.

I would like to see:

• A full ban of any bully type breed
• A maximum weight restriction for any domestic dog
• Restrictions on which dogs can be domestic pets and which are for work only e.g., Rottweiler only for police dog handlers
• Restrictions on size of dog you can own based on the size of your property
• A mandatory training course for new dog owners
• A return to licensing with a points based system for infringements

And obviously, the funding to make sure the above happens! We are apparently currently spending millions rounding up and housing all these XL Bullies, we have the money.

Mandatory parenting exams before having children?

So if you don't give the government-approved answers or aren't academic and struggle with exams then what happens? Forced sterilization? Forced abortion? Forced adopting out of children?

Agree re training. The issue is that there ia no one singular method that everyone unirversally agrees on.

"The only thing that two dog trainers will agree on is what the third one is doing wrong!"

This is why having government training schemes that you need to pass wouldnt work - which method would it use?

Especially since the dog training method en vogue these days is to simply wave treats around as the answer for everything 🤦🏼‍♀️

I absolutely wouldn’t have people do a test for all the reasons you outline but I have long said it should be compulsory to attend some sort of training on how to look after a baby and parent a child - it’s kind of ridiculous to think people will just know what to do

Didn't they have mandatory testing of parental ability in Denmark and removed lots of babies? Doesn't seem like. A great plan.

Muscular dogs are a status symbol for men with tiny dicks. There’s a guy on instagram that has three cane corsos and he frequently posts them attacking each other, barking at intruders and chomping down on a bite sleeve. He feeds them raw meat eg whole chicks and they are fucking massive, hulking muscular beasts. There’s only one reason a person has dogs like that and it isn’t because they care deeply about a breed. He’s called Loyal Dogs I think. Two of his dogs have cropped ears and they look like the Baskerville hound. They also live entirely outside. Not family pets at all.

People have raised children without state intervention for thousand of years.

Starting to think you did your April fools joke a bit early!!!

Denmark uses them, but has stopped using them with Greenlandic families, as their implementation there was highly problematic (language and cultural differences)

They aren't corsos. They are presa canarios (probably spelt that wrong). They are mastiffs but not Italian mastiffs. So important that we get our facts right. Ive never seen a video of his dogs barking at anyone. He usually shows videos of the dogs playing with local kids and the fantastic diet he feeds them. Bite work is legitimate work for some breeds.

Can you link any of these videos you are talking about?

There should be things you have to achieve like recall, basic urge control, sit and stay etc. How you acheieve that training, for the most part, should be up to you. But you have to demonstrate that your dog is able to follow those instructions.

But a lot of people AREN’T successful. The fairest way is to say everyone does one evening a week 6 weeks or something basic paediatric first aid, attachment theory, safe sleep, feeding. Yes many parents will know it but for those who don’t, there is no stigma. What on earth is wrong with making sure that all parents have a grasp of the basics.

I have a psychology degree and a masters in SEND - I don’t “need” a basic intro to attachment theory but I could sit through it just fine and would benefit from, for example, the first aid…which I ultimately paid for myself because I think it is sensible.

wrong breed, apologies, but could still rip a person’s face off easily

I've been bitten by both a staffies and a chihuahua. Not fun

Just cuddly family pets… https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWWwEwaNh9d/?igsh=c2g3MzlrNXNqNGN3

I think most angry dogs of medium size could rip off a person's face.

Where are the videos you were going to show of them barking at people at his encouragement? I usually see reels of him.worjing out and going to mosque and feeding them good food. So i was interested to see these videos you spoke of. I even had a look at his SM again to check. Can you link them please? I do usually see his FB rather than IG.

Yeah that dog recently had a blockage and needed emergency surgery. I am pretty sure this is the video where he's educating people that if your dog starts to behave aggressively, consider illness. But that Vifor has recently had surgery for bloat/abdominal obstruction.

He does speak a lot about how you have to handle the behavioural dynamics when you own several dogs. The RSPCA and the police are regular visitors (due to false reports) and are more than happy with his dogs.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWg-7ExtU6r/?igsh=anRjdG11aGV3N21q

This is the tricky part with dog training.

The dog would do as it is asked for assesment in that environment... after all it isnt difficult to teach a dog come, stay, sit etc

But when something has triggered it, or a stressful environment, dog in pain, or a lot going on.... that is when basic commands fail.

So a dog could reasonably pass the assesment centre but not be able to control its urges when in distracting or stressful situations .

I dont disagree with you, it is a good idea, but in practice would cost a lot of money to achieve not very much

Sorry but those dogs are not family pets, and he also breeds from them. He also frequently has them off lead running around the street - can you imagine living on that street with young kids? You’d be terrified? Of course you’d never tell him that because he’s the one with three potential killing machines.

Look this is just one person, we can move on from them now. I’m just saying that this sort of dog and ownership is everywhere.

You could mimic distraction in test conditions easily. Plus, most of the problematic dogs I see are trained in any circumstances. Their owners can never recall them.

There are videos of him taking those monstrous dogs to a PLAYGROUND of all places. It does not need to be on the climbing frame or zip wire fgs how dangerous

He bred one once. I think the others are neutered now. You have to wait until they are grown.

These silly rumours are what has the police around his every week. He shows the dogs with young kids. You're reading the comments and not watching the videos.

Dogs get blockages when they gobble down their food as a result of being fed only once a day. There are ways to avoid these blockages and three in a year is a joke really. How many times a year do regular people have their dogs insides cut open? My dog would eat any old shit off the ground if I let him, but I don’t. I also feed him twice a day with a slow feeder so he eats more slowly. I’ve never had to have my dog cut open for eating random shit.

That depends if kids are there..otherwise an assault course is fine for a dog. They need exercise.

I’m seeing dogs running off the leash. Attacking each other. Having multiple preventable surgeries. I’m not seeing any of that in comments. And this is all over the country, not just this guy.

You can’t walk dogs in playgrounds, every playground has a sign that says that.