Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

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Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

Well from the ages for 4-16 I wished to identify as the owner of a pony.

I thought it was only right that my parents respected my wishes and bought me a pony.

Am glad you agree the fact I never got a pony was a serious breach of my human rights, and not sensible parenting from people who knew we couldn't keep a pony in a small back garden.

Well it's bullshit. Six year old children are not politically aware and do not organise boycotts. Do you usually swallow and regurgitate everything you read in the papers?

I'm sorry but what you have written is ridiculous, what 6 year old girl has one to cut-off in the first place?

No. Girls need space to just be girls. Plenty of studies have shown this is beneficial in many ways. If you want a mixed space for your child, you can choose the Scouts.

I’m meh about trans girls in Guides. From what I’ve read the tiny number of troops that actually have trans girls have full support from the other girls in the group. This does seem like culture wars pressure has been put on the organisation rather than any actual threat to girls that has come about. There have been no studies that show the girl only spaces are negatively impacted by trans girls. That said, I can understand with the ongoing narrative about how “dangerous” trans girls are, I can understand why parents who have no first hand experience are concerned about it.

This story is probably untrue, or massively exaggerated. Having never had a trans child, I have no idea whether a six year old would understand their trans feelings without parental input, or how I would deal with it. I suspect counselling would be my first port of call, but has anyone ever tried accessing mental health services for children? Even privately it can be difficult to come by.

My problem with this is having a blanket policy for every situation ends up impacting some kids. I much prefer local troops being able to make their own decisions. My friend had two severely disabled children, a boy and a girl, very close in age. They live quite rurally and there was no option for scouts in their area so they approached the local brownie pack to see if both of them could join. They allowed it and the young lad was able to meet other kids and join in with his sister, he absolutely devoured the badges. It gave him a focus and some socialisation that is really difficult to find for disabled kids. When he sadly died, the brownies all came to his funeral and sang taps at the end. It was so moving. If, individually a local pack is happy to welcome a trans girl, and nobody has an issue with it, why should they be forced to refuse?

Are you for real? Guides and Brownies are for girls, not for confused sons of mentally-abusive parents.

You are blaming "anti-trans activists", (aka sex realists) when you should be looking at the parents for brainwashing their child, and Girl Guiding for enabling this.

Yep - two threads by OP both rage bait

Someone bored on a Sunday

He would know nothing about this if he hadn't been indoctrinated by adults. They're abusing him to the extent he wants to cut off his own penis

As for respecting his wishes, he's 6. Six year olds think they're puppies, or princesses, or SpongeBob. They would eat ice cream all day, live in a den under their bed, bring worms in from the garden and cross roads without looking. I suspect you've never been a parent.

Aye right. I give this as much credence as the rest of the article. And, if by some stretch, its true, they wont have left because they understand the import of gender politics or biology, it will be because the child, who they have been told is a girl and at their age have no reason to doubt, isn't allowed to come back. And at that age they should not be put in that position.
But its still bollocks.

I do agree that it’s abusive parenting. There are plenty of times things happen where the parents have to present it in an age appropriate way to protect their children. From death of loved ones to current events as well as issues with friendship groups. If a group changed the rules which meant my child could no longer attend, the last thing I would do is make it feel like it’s the child’s fault!

But "she" is a male how did a transchild know about this why are the parents not protecting their little 6 year old why are the parents insisting on brownies which as far as I am aware girls don't start until 8 years old not 6. If parents recognise their child as trans surely they should try and make their lives easy maybe send them to scouts and not and try and make a point about girl guiding.

All those parents who didn't send their daughters to Brownies and Guides because they didnt want them sharing sleeping spaces with males (something which even mixed sex orgs like Scouts weren't stupid enough to institute) will now be able to add their DDs to the waiting list.

No. Why can't girls just have something for themselves? Why should the girls budge over and let the boys in?

And a six year old BOY wanting to cut his penis off needs mental health intervention. His issues aren't solved by the adults colluding in the lie that he's a girl. Letting him go to Rainbows is not the solution.

If the parents hadn’t gone along with the bullshit in the first place maybe the little lad wouldn’t have developed such mental health problems.

“her penis” just sums up the whole argument.

But it is a boy. If I pretend to be a caterpillar it doesn’t actually make me a caterpillar nor should the rest of the world refer to me as a caterpillar.
He, a boy, should never have been in rainbows and his parents should never have made him aware of trans nonsense

Came on to say the same. A girl cannot cut off her penis. She doesn't have one. I am pretty sure a 6 year old (who hasn't been brainwashed anyway) could understand that.

Excellent post.

*boy

Poor child has parents with Munchausen’s by-proxy. Unfortunately, this is becoming more common; batshit people have kids and they become an extension of their batshit views and solipsistic approach to life.

Utterly sick of this shit.

A sensible solution would have been for the parents to send their kids to Scouts in the first place.

Girls provision is for girls. Full stop.

Why make Guides mixed sex? Why can’t girls, for once, have something of their own that they don’t have to share with boys. It’s really not too much to ask.

I must have been 7 or 8 years old when I was sent to see a child psychologist, because when I was asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, I said 'David Attenborough'.
I can still remember the look on his face when he realised that I did not want to be David Attenborough. I wanted to do his job but I didn't know what it was called.

I’m not sure, my daughter is at rainbows and has various friends. If she found out one of her friends was banned from rainbows she would be very confused and upset. She would have no idea what being trans meant, nor do I think she would care.

We haven’t come across this situation yet in the real world. Closest we have come to is about gay relationships. So I think it’s hard to say if you haven’t lived the situation

Its only difficult to explain the situation to them if you've previously lied about it.

If it hadn't been GG that pushed him over the edge it would have been something else. Probably something minor to every one else at school. poor kid.

This is definitely not the ‘gotcha’ the parents probably imagine it is. What the fuck have they done to a child that age for this to happen? This child needs help.