Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

[JonesTown]

Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

I think the anti Trans group have won the discussion by having more cards up their sleeve.

I always think that if someone has to label bog standard post-WW2 feminist ideas as "anti-trans" they need to look at their attitude to women, because I suspect they don't see women as fully human.

I think that maybe people who use the term 'anti-trans' haven't thought about it, or are just repeating something that they have read about the labelling of the 'sides'. Without realising perhaps, that it should not be about 'sides', it should be about finding a solution.

But, yes, it is hardly a new discussion at all. Germaine Greer was discussing this decades ago as a radical feminist. Which is also why it is completely absurd to make statements about 'far right' and Trump. Those statements show a complete lack of knowledge about the arguments, what principles they are based on, and who the fuck has been making those arguments for decades.

I think there is a tendency to think overly simplistically about good and bad, supportive and anti. The result though is when you read labels such as 'anti-trans', if you have the background knowledge and understanding you immediately think that the label is nonsense and doesn't fit your position.

There are 'anti-trans' people, but feminists arguing for male people to excluded from single sex provisions based on them being male are not likely to fit that description, particularly if they then are fully inclusive of female people with transgender identities being able to access the provision.

You are absolutely right. I couldn't think of an appropriate term to use. I agree with everything you say.

I definitely see women as fully human. I am a woman and I am human. It was a badly chose phrase not a label.

It is something that is hard to categorise unless you have deep knowledge and I never assume that people have that knowledge.

The background is interesting though. There really is so much media using the term and I believe that they might do it out of laziness (and they absolutely should be the people who are very careful about their language usage) or out of getting their information from biased sources rather than going to original sources and making an informed decision, or they are simply the ones who are ideologically driven.

For instance, the Australian media channels regularly use the term and it then will spread anywhere that uses an Australian article to base their own article on.

The change came about when the term 'transphobic' was debunked as a term to use to describe female people rejecting a male person's access to a single sex provision. It noticeably became 'anti-trans' very quickly after a judgement here in the UK that clarified that female people did have the right to single sex provisions and that this was not 'transphobic'.

In any case, as you can see, language accuracy is one of the core aspects of this discussion.

Sorry.

The narrative that little boys should get to do things that they want when policy and law says they should

should be

The narrative that little boys should get to do things that they want when policy and law says they shouldn't

Pantomime horses are horses

That’s an excellent image! 😂

Bath bombs are literal bombs.

Post boxes are confused.

Clothes horses are horses
Sea horses are horses
Saw horses are horses
Pommel horses are horses

Gravy Boats are Boats

Someone genuinely tried to use that to prove TWAW here once. No I didn't follow the thinking either. Sonething like "they are different types of Boats, but both valid Boats "

I'd like to see a gravy boat float in a rough sea....

Gotcha. That's me off to purchase an Australian sandstone monolith that plays The ecstasy of gold from a little stall on Blackpool front then.

I have no idea what this means, but I still think it was worth saying

All rocks are equally valid and should be treated the same.

I was trying to get him/her/them to see that gravy boats were named after boats, and if the real boats didn't exist then no one would have independently come up with that name for a gravy jug, and so no they weren't different types of boats, they were boats and something named in reference to boats that was certainly not a boat or interchangeable with an actual boat in any boat-requiring scenario. But it (probably deliberately) wouldn't sink in.

Unlike gravy boats, which definitely would sink in any significant body of water

ah… one where the purpose is to keep liquid in, one where purpose is to keep it out?
but easily interchangeable….
i know I’ve accidentally climbed into the gravy boat on the dinner table and cried “take me to Larne!!”

I think that counts as misgendering the gravy boat. You bigot. Donald Trump doesn't sail in gravy boats either so that means you're aligned with him too.

Oh hang on though, you might be on to something here...

Trans - opposite side of
Ships keep liquid outside
Gravy boats keep liquid inside
So gravy boats are the opposite of boats
Which makes them trans boats
Which by TXAX logic makes them... also boats!!!!

And that's Numberwang!!!

(Or possibly just a Dusty Bin)

Nooo is that true? Good grief that is creative I must say….

Rotate the board Simon!!!!

Well played, Rhinos

My dog is absolutely sure he's a human. Perhaps he should start guides (he's been neutered so....).

It annoys me how the media here always go with 'anti-trans' when it is just standard feminism as per 15 years ago. With other controversial topics, even if they pick side, they are often honest about what each group if for e.g. pro-choice vs pro-life. Or pro-Palestine & pro-Israel.