Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

[JonesTown]

Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

But lying to a child won't help them. Why lie?

Anorexic's think they are fat when they are painfully underweight. We don't lie to them to appease them. We shouldn't lie about changing sex either. They will find out one day some adults lied to them and they really couldn't change sex. That's not fair at all. Leads to harm. Why inflict harm.

I do not intend to 'abuse, disrespect or hate' trans people. However, I do not wish to 'uphold or recognise their chosen gender and pronouns.'. I would prefer to run a mile.
@JonesTown has some rather idiosyncratic uses of language. Hate is a very strong word. I do not hate anybody, including trans people, although they do make me very uncomfortable for a number of reasons.
@JonesTown seems to want to strong arm people into doing what she wants by using overly emotive vocabulary and I for one, do not tolerate being falsely cast as a 'hater'.

They won't get the difference. But sexism, racism, homophobia etc are based in seeing groups of people as inferior. Intellectually inferior, morally inferior...the flawed reasoning varies across groups. But the definition of transphobia has expanded from people who think trans people are in some way inferior, to those who simply have a different system of beliefs around classifying people into two equal groups - male and female.

As Cass has said

She added: "There are a tiny number of people who will never be comfortable with their biological sex, with the gender associated with their biological sex.
"And for them, a medical pathway is the only way they're going to live their life comfortably. And we don't understand why that is, but we have to try and help those people thrive as much as the young people who are going to grow out of this."

It’s the same for Anorexics. I have an Anorexic daughter and part of keeping her out of hospital has been to let her stay underweight but to eat enough to stay out of hospital. Years of forced feedibg under paeds to big weights made the condition ten times worse and nearly destroyed her mental health. She has had specialised adult care which recognises she is so much better being in control and eating what she can manage, not what she should but enough not to end up in hospital.

Cass did not say these children need to be told they are 'actually' the opposite sex and you should throw your toys out of the pram when they aren't allowed access to spaces that don't belong to them.

She said they need individualised care and are being weaponised which they are

Asked if children had been let down by an adult-led debate, Cass said "absolutely", adding they "were also caught up in all the issues about single-sex spaces and sports and safe areas for women which were actually not to do with the children but they were somehow part of a football within it".
"That's a real shame that children have been weaponised."
The vast majority of people in the middle of the debate were silent while the "people at the extremes" and rhetoric in the media had been "frightening for young people," the clinician said.
She added that some activists for trans rights had been "so strident that it's made it more difficult for trans people themselves who are just trying to live under the radar", while equally people who had taken the view no-one should ever transition had "similarly made it difficult".

it’s pretty vile and I’m glad she recognises that. We’re talking about struggling children.

So Cass didn't say we should affirm these child whole heartedly by lying to them, correct?

As for this child, who is weaponising him?

The people upholding the SC judgement and ensuring single sex spaces for girls?

Or the parents of this child who enrolled him for an activity they knew he wouldn't be able to remain in? And are now sharing details of extremely concerning behaviour for media manipulation?

She said a section of children will go on to need surgery and individual approaches are needed.

It’s clear she most certainly does not think children should be weaponised and used in the same sex toilet debate.

That is not the same as lying to them that they can change sex. Surely that's obvious?

Can you explain why you think upholding the law is 'weaponsing' a child?

It’s clear what CASS, weaponise as you wish but it’s clear.

Please explain how I or anyone else on this thread is weaponising this child?

Oh it’s clear. Posters like you and the zealots hounding and turfing out 6 year olds
from Rainbows are weaponising children and nothing less.

There is a reason why TRA's like to characterise the whole single sex exemptions thing as women making a fuss about toilets.

Far easier to shriek 'they just want to pee!!!' than acknowledge the need for single sex prisons, rape crisis services, domestic abuse shelters etc.

Or admit they see girls as nothing more than support humans to ensure that boys get their own way, all the time.

Rainbows is for girls, it's really that simple.

God that is just utter crap though.

Its the LAW. What aspect of that do you not understand?

None of us have had anything to do with GG decision to be single sex.

None of us have had anything to do with this child being enrolled in an activity his parents knew he couldn't remain in.

None of us have had anything to do with lying to this child that he was somehow a girl and society would accept him as such.

Your position is complete and utter bananas. You are so completely blinkered, you cannot even understand the basics of how this child has been let down.

lets not forget the parents signed this child up for rainbows knowing quite well what was coming.

Who exactly is weaponising the child?

This child, if he even exists, had no business being a Rainbows member, in the first place.
His parents have let him down, cos how can you turn the (metaphorical) tanker around?

Now, this TRA arsehole father, with this non existent ‘trans’ child can boldly reinforce the TRA talking point about it being innate, and people are who they say they are, blah, blah, blah.

I am convinced that this ‘father’ is an AGP, wielding a pretend kid so no one notices the elephant in the room.

If anyone "weaponised" this boy, it's firstly his father and secondly the OP.

Please note, @JonesTown has disappeared from the thread. I hope she'll be back soon, but perhaps she's persuaded that she's made a mistake?

However, telling someone who is one sex they can change to another is not realistic.

Someone who thinks they are overweight as you say is better managed being low weight to.keep stable rather than force feeding.

The anorexic comparison was a mistake by me. Weight can be overweight, within safe regions and underweight. Sex is binary and you are one or the other and lying that you can change from one to the other is wrong. People might present in dress, appearance as they think the opposite sex do and live as they "think" the opposite sex do. They will never be the opposite sex, its impossible due to DNA which is in every cell of the body, they can play pretend of course and if that makes them happy ...

Telling a boy that he can be a girl at such a young age is in my opinion abusive. It's setting him up for at best disappointment and at worse for extreme distress. Telling him that he isn't a girl but that he can have different hobbies and interests, that he can join mixed sex groups but not groups for girls stops problems before they start. We need to start being honest with children generally, it can be done kindly, in a matter of fact manner, but it really needs to be done.

Nope.

The father (assuming he is real and not a person just identifying as a father) is weaponising a child. Joining a girl only organisation as a boy is pretty silly anyway.

The individuals like yourself wanting little boys to push into little girls spaces is weaponising too. There are lots of mixed spaces he can attend. Thinking girls should help sort his confusion by joining in the lies to him is also wrong. Mass lying is wrong. Why do you want us to mass lie?

TRAs weaponise children.

Women are fed up of being shoved aside to support confused males. Any child who is so disturbed that might cut off bits of his body needs urgent mental health attention. Or social services intervention. The parent sounds insane using his son this way.

TRAs weaponise children

Absolutely. TRAs weaponise children by making children the front line for their cross sex demands, in the hope that they can DARVO society's entirely reasonable rejection of girls resources being given over to boys into ReaCtIonAries HAtinG On ChiLDrRen 😱

It works a bit, as we can see with some posters. It worked a lot more previously, however, people are pushing back against this nonsense now and no longer afraid to speak out.

Even teens that were supportive of their confused classmates are seeing the performative attention seeking behaviour fir what it is now. Many teens are now eye rolling at 'changing sex' now. The poor autistic girls were also used. Already having to cope with autism then used by cross dressers to further their aims.

Female athletes are female athletes because they have the attributes which make them a good athlete, so yes your "tall " example will have an advantage over other women.
They will most likely be better at sport than females without those physical attributes, be it tall, strong, agile ,good proprioception. Females who dont have these atributes will tend not to become athletes.
However those advantages exist on a curve ranging from body types which make you pretty shite at sport, to body types liable to make you good sport. They are however still female bodied and lie with in the range for female bodies.

Females athletes who have those physical advantages will still NEVER have the same physical advantages as men. Because thats biology.