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Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

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JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:14

Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

Girlguiding facing mass exodus after setting deadline for...

Girlguiding facing mass exodus after setting deadline for...

The organisation is battling a backlash over new rules that will exclude trans girls from the organisation

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/girlguiding-facing-mass-exodus-after-setting-deadline-for-trans-girls-to-quit

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GivesYourHosieryaFright · 29/03/2026 22:45

ThatCyanCat · 29/03/2026 22:02

In 20 years' time nobody will admit to having been this stupid.

Unfortunately, many will still have to live with the damage to their bodies, fertility and mental health when the rest of the world has moved on.

SSAW2026 · 29/03/2026 22:48

Deerinflashlights · 29/03/2026 11:17

That poor child. I think there are better ways to support a child who is so extremely distressed than the ways this child’s parents choose to parent them. As the saying goes, “unfortunately you can’t pick your parents.”

Edited

This.

This child needs mental health support.

Not thinking that they have the wrong body. What on earth is this child being told about biological reality, the child is 6.

SSAW2026 · 29/03/2026 22:51

Twitchie · 29/03/2026 11:23

I wonder how the child’s parents broke the news to them about Rainbows. Was it:

’We’re not going to be coming back in September, how about Scouts?’

or was it

‘Evil society hates trans girls like you and you’re not allowed to come back because you have a penis’

Because if this is genuine, a 6yo (in year 1/2) trying to mutilate your own genitalia off is not a normal response to not going back to a club and something is seriously wrong here. How would a child even make that connection (that their penis is the problem)?

How can anyone try and blame the ‘anti-trans’ (feminists) for this? I don’t feel particularly strongly about transgender children in Rainbows/Brownies either way, but seriously, no.

Edited

Indeed. Soneone has told this boy far too much considering he is merely 6.

TwistedWonder · 29/03/2026 22:54

GivesYourHosieryaFright · 29/03/2026 22:45

Unfortunately, many will still have to live with the damage to their bodies, fertility and mental health when the rest of the world has moved on.

Sadly true. We will all have written off this hideous chapter to the bowels of history however they will be a whole host of women with huge scars where their healthy breasts used to be and men having to dilate every day for life a man made cavity of rancid flesh.

And I hope that the doctors who preformed these Frankenstein surgeries are locked up in prison

SSAW2026 · 29/03/2026 22:59

GCAcademic · 29/03/2026 11:33

Yep, same as any other child whose parents exhibit Munchausens by Proxy. Six years old FFS.

This. Time to look at parents.

SSAW2026 · 29/03/2026 23:03

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:36

The girl clearly wants to identify as female, and I think it’s only right that we respect her wishes in how we refer to her.

Having an honest chat about biological reality would gave saved this male child all of this trauma. Why do adults feel its ok to.feed a delusion to the extent the boy no longer wants a part of his body. Shame on the ADULTS for lying to a small boy.

RedToothBrush · 29/03/2026 23:26

Why do the parents ALWAYS have a blog?

It's so strange 🙄

HyacinthsAndPeonies · 29/03/2026 23:37

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

I haven't read past page 1 of this thread because it's so crazy. Six year old girls don't have a penis. That sentence doesn't compute in my head. He's a little BOY.

ElenOfTheWays · 29/03/2026 23:47

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 17:22

You’re right actually. Gay people as well! Let’s stop lying to them about fancying the wrong gender.

Boys should be boys and girls should be girls.

How enlightening!

It's not sex realists who are telling gay people who to fancy.
Same sex attraction is based on SEX not gender as transactivists would have it.

Jumpingthruhoops · 29/03/2026 23:48

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

No that wouldn't be the solution because presumably there are many six-year-old biological girls who would just like to share a space with other biological girls. Not boys. It's unfortunate. But it's also science.

Superhansrantowindsor · 29/03/2026 23:51

The parents have clearly told the child that they can’t go because they are biologically male. Caring, sensible parents would have said “we can’t go to rainbows anymore but I have found another great club for you to go to instead”. But then the parents are clearly not sensible.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 29/03/2026 23:53

ElenOfTheWays · 29/03/2026 23:47

It's not sex realists who are telling gay people who to fancy.
Same sex attraction is based on SEX not gender as transactivists would have it.

And, now we come to mention it, has anyone, ever attempted to advise a 6 year old about his sexual orientation?

Edited for ambiguity.

Superhansrantowindsor · 29/03/2026 23:54

It’s really infuriating the whole thing. My eldest dd went to brownies and guides specifically because it was single sex. She had to put up with a right rowdy bunch of boys in her class and as a very quiet and sensitive child we wanted a space away from these boys. Living in a small town , a fair few were in the cubs so it was a no brainer to send her to brownies and guides. What is so wrong with giving girls a space that is just for them.

Carla786 · 29/03/2026 23:57

likelysuspect · 29/03/2026 11:37

Yep

Theres another thread running at the moment about parental authority, nothing as indepth as pretending you're the opposite sex but theres an example on there of the over explaining and over burdening of information to young people. But apparently in that example on the other thread the 4 year old 'gets it'

I suspect that parents who waffle on and go into great explanations about things think that their child 'gets it' and oh they're so insightful and they understand lots of things.

But what you create when you put a load of information dumped on a very young child like 3, 4, 5 and so on, is that although on the surface you think they 'get it' but you're over burdening them with processing and digesting of things that are too multi layered and grown up in some ways. This is why childhood anxiety is through the roof.

I would wager this has happened to this child in his life before, leading to this nonsense that he thinks hes a girl 'you know she's really clear about her identity and what she feels'.

And now the information that he cannot attend a particular club anymore was couched in similar terms 'because we're completely honest with her'

Well dont be, you're a grown up and children need to be given information in an age appropriate manner. The club is closed for you now so lets join another one.

What was that thread called? Sounds interesting

SALaw · 30/03/2026 00:01

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 11:27

Zoe Williams has argued that a sensible solution to all of this would be to make the Brownies mixed gender like the Scouts.

Wouldn't this be more sensible than making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

No. What the scouts chose to do is of no consequence to the guides. They are separate organisations. Girls are entitled to have a girls only organisation. It is by its nature exclusive in that it excludes boys. All boys.

SALaw · 30/03/2026 00:08

strangerthings2475 · 29/03/2026 11:30

And who put it into his head that he could change his sex/gender or that he was the opposite sex?

Six-year-olds don't happen upon these notions by themselves without adults guiding them to it.

Any adult that plants these seeds should be viewed in the same lens as we view all abusers and manipulators.

Also, it's incredibly manipulative to use this example to rail against the Girl Guides ban. As if such a case should nullify or change the Girl Guides stance, because women and girls rights should be predicated on how well boys and men respond to them.

His dad said that the issue was the boxes society put people in in terms of gender stereotypes. The parents therefore chose to compound that by telling their presumably effeminate boy that he was a girl. Instead of teaching him to be comfortable in his own skin and that boys could dress how they want and play what they want and still be valid, happy boys. The parents also enrolled him in Rainbows in September 2025 ie after the Supreme Court decision, so when the direction of travel was already clear, and so set him up for being removed in the future. They could reasonably have foreseen this and enrolled instead in mixed sex activities but it’s almost as if they wanted to use their six year old distressed and confused vulnerable child to make a point.

PorridgeAndSyrup · 30/03/2026 00:21

"AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists"

The child is a boy. Male. He will always be male. The distress comes from being reminded he is male. It's not the fault of "anti-trans activists" that his maleness causes him such distress. If it wasn't the Guides reminding him he is male, there would be something else to remind him - there will ALWAYS be things to remind him that he is male. Whether it is a male-specific health problem, or random strangers he interacts with, when he reaches adulthood and can no longer pass, or people he tries to date, or even his own reflection in the mirror.

Over the last decade or so, it has been shoved down our throats that the best way to treat this particular brand of mental illness is for absolutely EVERYONE in society to collectively, at all times, keep up a massive lie - that certain people are actually the opposite sex just because they really, really want to be. But that was never going to work, and it cannot work, and I think the more we are seeing, the more we are realising that it's actually a really bloody bad idea and is just making things so much worse for those people. Especially the kids, who are still young enough to believe in Santa and the tooth fairy for crying out loud - OF COURSE they believed the adults in their lives when the adults told them they could indeed change sex. What a cruel, cruel lie.

nutmeg7 · 30/03/2026 00:22

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:48

They identify as women though, and should be treated as such from the perspective of sport categorisation.

Trans women happen to have been assigned male at birth. That should not prevent them participating in the sport grouping that feels most appropriate to them.

What a load of wank.
Sport is not about identity. The female category is to give females fair and safe competition.
You are trolling.
Or utterly pig ignorant and deluded about the differences between male and female bodies.
You have to be trolling because no-one can be this stupid. Unless you never get out and meet other humans.

Bones101 · 30/03/2026 00:27

Poor child.

I'm a physician so studied trans issues etc but this child needs more psychiatric help. Terrible she is being forced away from her peers.

nutmeg7 · 30/03/2026 00:29

ForCyanGuide · 29/03/2026 18:05

Indeed.

I believe people should be able to be in relationships with who they like.

I do not believe it’s possible to change your sex. But I do believe you should be allowed to identify as the opposite sex if that’s how you feel. Gender is different to sex. It’s a construct and can therefore be changed.

You can identify as what you like.

But you don’t have the right to force everyone to validate your delusion, and you don’t have the right to access spaces, facilities and organisations set up for the opposite sex.

Women get a say in this, we are not support animals for mentally ill men.

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2026 00:29

SALaw · 30/03/2026 00:08

His dad said that the issue was the boxes society put people in in terms of gender stereotypes. The parents therefore chose to compound that by telling their presumably effeminate boy that he was a girl. Instead of teaching him to be comfortable in his own skin and that boys could dress how they want and play what they want and still be valid, happy boys. The parents also enrolled him in Rainbows in September 2025 ie after the Supreme Court decision, so when the direction of travel was already clear, and so set him up for being removed in the future. They could reasonably have foreseen this and enrolled instead in mixed sex activities but it’s almost as if they wanted to use their six year old distressed and confused vulnerable child to make a point.

If that's true it's significant and they need investigating.

They enrolled him after the ruling in order to use him as a tool to push their own political agenda and post about it on their social media. That makes him a propaganda tool.

And then 'horror' he's harming himself.

How convenient that he's spot on message in showing how small children who transition get so distressed they self harm. Gosh. How fascinating.

He's six, remember.

Given they believe that boys not allowed to be affirmed as girls and may self harm, why the fuck did they put him into a scenario where he's liable to become distressed when banned? That's worse than any parent who thinks this is nonsense.

These are parents who believe rejection like this leads to self harm, so they put him in a situation deliberately where, by their own belief system, they thought he would be likely to be at high risk of self harm.

Think about that for a second.

At no point did they think 'oh this situation looks shaky and we aren't sure how our precious ever so special 'daughter' will cope, perhaps we should look at something mixed sex which is less at risk from such problems for his own well being.

Nope they plonked him in Rainbows to get him into the system of affirmation and subsequent problems with reality which were fully foreseeable.

They literally sought out a scenario which they felt would be harmful and deliberately put their six year old child in there to prove a point and to demonstrate the self harm. They deliberate did the opposite of safeguarding to further their beliefs.

I hope this story isn't true, because the number of red flags is very alarming.

YorkshireGoldie · 30/03/2026 00:31

JonesTown · 29/03/2026 13:48

They identify as women though, and should be treated as such from the perspective of sport categorisation.

Trans women happen to have been assigned male at birth. That should not prevent them participating in the sport grouping that feels most appropriate to them.

Ridiculous!!

just to clarify, men are being banned from competing in women’s sports.

How awful to see a MAN completely beating up a woman in a boxing match, in the Olympics of all places. Glad that this fiasco has now been put to a stop.

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2026 00:33

Note the
"We don't like stereotyped environments/ideals based on sex"
"Hey we are going to put you in a single sex environment because you behave in a stereotyped non confirming way".

Not "This is bollocks, we need something mixed sex which avoids stereotyping".

YankSplaining · 30/03/2026 02:45

(Haven’t RTFT)

Funny how these stories always involve the parents arriving at the nick of time to stop the child from penis-cutting. Do we ever hear about children who actually did cut their penises off?

mammat72 · 30/03/2026 04:14

yes it is distressing and I understand parents might not know how to handle the situation, but i don't believe that all of a sudden there are so many trans children, yet no mention of gay children anymore. reality is most of these children are probably future gays or lesbians but gender ideologists are like the harry potter sorting hat. little boy goes up and hat says oooo you like pink eh and to dance YOUR A GIRL little girl says i like to climb trees and i don't like skirts YOUR A BOY. children should not be gender affirmed. In 2011 there were less than 200 children diagnosed with gender dysphoria compared to 10,291 in 2021. now you've got to ask yourself why that is.

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