Six year old trans girl ‘tries to cut off her penis’ after Guide ban

[JonesTown]

Quite a disturbing article in this morning’s Observer regarding the impact of the Guides’ ban on trans girls following the Supreme Court ruling.

It reports on the experience of one six year old trans girl named Emily after hearing she could no longer attend Rainbows:

Emily’s parents decided to be honest with their daughter about the situation, and explained that she was no longer able to take part in Rainbows because she was trans. A few hours later Curt said they found her “sobbing in her room” and were “shocked” to find her holding a pair of plastic scissors to her penis.

AIBU to find this a distressing consequence of campaign by anti-trans activists or is it a natural result of allowing such young children to change their gender identity?

Hear, hear!

Its another marginalised group that is picked on by bigots

Racist = bigot
Homophobic = bigot
Transphobic = bigot

Comparisons need to be made so people can understand the hate that they spew at groups of very vulnerable people.

making six year old girls so distressed that they attempt to cut off their penis?

Girls don’t have penises.

I've always used pronouns to refer to sex. That was true of everyone until a few years ago.

Can you tell me when we as a society had this debate collectively and decided that pronouns referencing 'gender' was preferable for society at large? Because I seem to have missed that discussion

The Scottish Greens voted en masse against the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Examiners Bill, designed to allow rape survivors to request (not demand, just request) a female medical examiner. Maggie Chapman of the Scottish Greens was a major force behind the disaster at ERCC.

and of course, in E&W, there's good old Hypnotits.

They despise women to their core.

A child attempting to mutilate their genitals is a sign that the child has been sexually abused. Social services should be involved.

Unlikely. We're still waiting for a definition of woman that explains what biological women and trans women have in common that differentiates them from men.

I do not believe that humans can change sex. That is a scientifically factual position. How can scientific fact be 'bigotry'?

You need to take this up with Mother Nature

What about my rights as a vulnerable adult human female?

Exactly.

Women don't count, remember?

Women protecting their hard-won rights and protections are not bigots.

What does upholding their gender identity look like to you? What does that actually mean?

You appear to be the one saying that same sex attraction should be superseded by ‘gender’. That is pretty homophobic.

It’s all about the man’s internal cognition and im playing trauma top trumps?

I in fact, did not say that.

Saying that transgender ideology shouldn’t be forced on a 6 year old isn’t being transphobic, it is understanding that a 6 year old is unable to understand such things.

If an adult wishes to live their lives as the opposite gender then that is their choice as an adult. As long as they respect that some woman will understandably need biologically female only spaces then good luck to them.

My issue two issues come from children being exposed to this to the level they start believing something is wrong with them and the fact that certain groups are using this to erode the rights of biological females.

The policy put boys in girls dorms, communal showers and tents, which is bad enough but it also put men in those places and worst of all parents weren't told that men were being allowed to take up roles that were supposed to be female only.
Girl guides are a single sex charity whose sole purpose is to operate as a group run for girls and young women without any males regardless of how they identify.
Girl guides had the option to change their charitable charter or abide by their current charter.
No boys should be in Girl guides regardless of how they identify or how nice they may be, its a girls only group.
As for studies about the harm of allowing boys into girls spaces there's hundreds just look at them and you will see why transgirls ie boys must be kept out of girls single sex groups and spaces

They can identify as whatever gender they like. Gender is a construct not a material reality, so how they see themselves in relation to that is their own business. However - as is the case for every single person on this planet - their sex is immutable, and they don't get to compel others to share their beliefs or to access facilities that have been set aside for people of the opposite sex.

My correlation is being a rape and SA survivor and being entitled under EA2010 to single sex spaces. And protecting those. And expecting them to be upheld.

You are though, by implication

If 'gender' should supersede sex, then you have men identifying as 'lesbians' and seeking relationships with women. If actual lesbians don't want to include men in their dating pool (because they are exclusively same sex attracted) then you would presumably call that bigotry.

Oh my. The bomb and death threats and banging on the windows and doors of venues while survivors try to speak doesn't come from the pro women side. They aren't punching women in the face. Or covering their faces with balaclavas and attacking women. Or shouting at participants attending a feminist conference.

https://womansplaceuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/A-record-of-the-meetings-organised-by-WPUK.pdf

You don't find the pro women side holding up these kind of signs.

I could go on....

Please define gender.

Please define gender identity.

Please define a trans person.

Please don't say that a trans person is someone whose gender identity doesn't align with their sex, unless you can successfully define gender identity without saying it's an inner feeling.

The reason I ask this is because we know that some men pretend to be trans so they can abuse women. And when we say this is what some trans people do, we are told by other trans people that they are not "true trans" (see also the "No True Scotsman" fallacy which is an appeal to purity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman). So please let us know how we can tell the true trans from men pretending. Or just other men, really.

I don’t think most people are anti trans. They are anti erosion of women’s rights.

But noone was trying to pretend that the boy was a girl.