Stag do plans and suspect abbreviations

[WestlieJ]

DP is joint best man for a close friends Wedding in early summer and the stag is abroad next month. DP sorted the logistics of booking, chasing everyone for payment etc (there is 16 people going). The other best man has put together a ‘plan’ for the long weekend and sent to DP for his approval.

I’ve seen this because it’s saved to iCloud and we can jointly access that through the iPad we share to watch Netflix etc.

It’s all fairly standard stuff, but the final section is titled ‘expected costs’ and lists things such as a beer, meal in restaurant, etc, to help people budget. Within this section there are abbreviations, which I’ve taken to be ‘dodgy’ given they are not written in full and one is fairly obviously a strip club, although no idea on ‘MP’.

Ive got it in front of me as took a photo so have written out exactly:

SC - Ent: €10-20 / PD: €50-70
MP - €50 / HR +€30 / OWO + €40 / PM,SO +€50 / FS €100

I have already asked DP who said he scanned over the main itinerary and didn’t even realise that last section was on there and has no idea what it means. He also said he never has and never will step foot in a strip club.

Am I being naive to think DP was unaware? And does anyone know what the last part means?

Urmmmm,

my partner is going to Benidorm on a stag next month. The grooms initials aren’t JL are they? 🤣🤦🏽‍♀️

Sorry, the second OP should have read DP…I.e. forewarning that the shit may be hitting the fan for a lot of the stags, and it might mean having to organise something different that isn’t based around exploitation.

@WestlieJ please tell the other WAGS!

I don't even think this is real because surely no woman could be this pathetic.

Yes, of course, a trustworthy ex-pat is sorting out the ethical sex workers for your partner's friends...

I'm sure the groom and your partner will enjoy the museums and local culture whilst their mates pay women for sex.

My sentiments exactly. All the time, grateful to be single and not have any man making me feel insecure in some way.

I once went on a hen weekend where the male strippers were twins with dwarfism painted blue, ‘sexy Smurf’s’. I left the venue and sat in the basement of the rented villa with a glass of wine and a book. Really grim.

I’m still trying to work this out. Is the OP trying to tell us that the prostitute is an ex pat who works independently in a bid to convince us she’s not trafficked? What the fuck? Not at those prices. And ugh at them all lining up for the same woman.

Oh no 😬

No. The ex pat seems to have been the person who found the strip club and the prices. God knows tbh

Back in the day when I was young - a long time ago. The hen night was a night touring pubs and then onto a disco. That was it. Thankfully

It’s all bullshit to make the OP believe him anyway. Why would they need an “expat” to “source” a sex worker in Benidorm? Literally there at every turn.

Ah come on, OP. If he was genuinely horrified and repulsed, he would not be going. He would choose not to go.

I hope you’ve realised that stay do’s to Benidorm are for the cheap sex. It’s really well known for that. This isn’t just a piss up in the sun, not fit enough picked a huge sex tourist area full of brothels.

Dear God.
I'm so grateful that I've lived most of my life blissfully ignorant of how much men hate women.

I’ve been trying to work this out too.

Have men now rebranded trafficked women as “expats”?!?!

If this bullshit story by OP’s DP is true (which I doubt as I’d bet my house that that they all plan on getting their rocks off) then how on earth can OP or her DP just blindly go along with it?

How can anyone be complicit in supporting human trafficking and sexual exploitation of vulnerable women?? It makes me feel sick. I couldn’t even look at my DH if he went along with something like this. Let alone stay married to him.

Oh absolutely. They all have a right to know, and these men do not have the right to bringing diseases home and hiding their filthy behaviour from their wives, girlfriends or whatever.

It doesn't make sense whichever way you interpret it.

Either the claim is that the woman providing these services is an 'independent expat' - and therefore not a trafficked woman but the mythical 'happy hooker' whose dearest dreams in life are world peace and the chance to give bargain-priced hand jobs to 16 sweaty drunks each night. (In which case, why the massage parlour entry fee?)

Or it's that it's all fine because the price list was obtained from a punter rather than a pimp - and that as a responsible expat said punter will obviously have fully vetted the establishment, checked work permits, and interviewed all employees to ensure they are their of their own free will.

If you believe either of those, I have a gorgeous bridge to sell you.

A LOT of men go to places like Benidorm, places in Thailand and such specifically to set up there and "influence" others to do the same. There was a docuseries on the BBC called Thailand: The Dark Side of Paradise, and it showcases a lot of things definitely relevant to this conversation.

I get the impression the "ex pat" in question might be the sort of bloke featured throughout this series.

And has done full STI testing on all.

There are no ethics in the sex trade. There is no ethical sourcing of sex workers and those prices guarantee those are young women who've been trafficked and are being criminally exploited and their clients are rapists.

So your husband can fuck off with his ethical sourcing bullshit. And you for entertaining that ChatGPT style nonsensical bullshit.

She’s hidden the thread no doubt.

There is no way on earth that the OP is going to rock the boat. He knows it. God they’ll be absolutely pissing themselves at her.

It’s staring her in the face and still, not my Nigel. What a bloody shame

Chances are it might not even be sunny. Certainly isn't guaranteed in April.

They are grim and dim.

I feel really sad for the op actually. There was some small part of her that had a gut instinct, a Spidey sense, which prompted her to start this thread in the first place after discovering the PDF itinerary on the iCloud; a meticulously pre-planned shopping list for these men to pay for sex with trafficked women in Benidorm, a well known sex tourist spot with a reputation similar to Thailand.

First red flag; the location of the stag weekend. Second red flag; the PDF (it wasn't some off the cuff remark by the other best man on a group chat she discovered, it was a pre-planned PDF itinerary including costings for raping trafficked women). Third red flag; the initial reaction from her DH was to make a joke against her (calling her wagatha) and deflect.

What follows after this in her other updates are then countless red flags - it's a cost of living crisis (pull the other one mate), ethically sourced prostitutes (wtf?!), I'm not taking part (ok, then why go?), the groom isn't taking part (it's his stag party, they are all his friends including the other best man responsible for the rape list), and finally some of the lads are single and frequent Thailand so it's their choice (another sex tourist hotspot and even worse as it's notorious for child sex abuse).

This will all be hovering about in her brain but the easiest thing to do is not to listen to everyone on this thread, she cannot listen to the women who've also had the wool pulled over their eyes and have discovered the truth, not to the ex prostitutes who know the meanings of the list and the costs of those acts hence why they are being trafficked, she won't listen to the men on this thread who know or knew other men who did this and are also highlighting the red flags, or finally to women like me who have done the research and worked with women impacted by this, who have researched the stats on just how many men do this (1 in 6 I think a previous poster stated is how many men have raped or would rape).

The op cannot listen, she won't listen because it's too much of a head fuck to admit the truth to herself. Sadly. I feel for her, but I feel more for the bride-to-be who is happily looking forward to marrying a man like that groom not knowing the real truth about the friends he has and the company he keeps.

This is all kinds of revolting and I would not be married to a man who happily goes along with it. It’s condoning that behaviour in my opinion. 🤮

Imagine if it is the same one! Even if op won’t tell anyone, I guess it’ll get out somehow 👀

This is beyond awful. 😢

So dehumanising to ‘buy’ a vulnerable person.

So they can laugh and mock like stupid overgrown schoolboys. 🤢

If I even knew a man who did this I would cut them dead - same goes for any man who buys women.