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Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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StartingStar · 23/03/2026 07:24

Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

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ScarlettOYara · 23/03/2026 22:18

I'm just waiting for more minimising on this thread. "It's Israel's fault/it's the synagogue's fault/antisemitism may be partly in the mix/ but Gaza/but Palestine/less random than we thought/ top tier rabbis/etc etc"
Three people burnt out 4 charity ambulances.
They are to blame.

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 22:23

broccolibiscuits · 23/03/2026 21:31

Prior to Hamas’s Oct 7 attack, their attacks were continual. The terrorist group was firing rockets indiscriminately at Israeli population centres on a daily basis.

This poses an interesting question that critics of Israel, like yourself, seldom think about: 'what is the ethical and proportional response to indiscriminate rocket attacks on a civilian population by a terrorist entity?'

You're never going to convince me of your point of view on this. Not ever, no matter how much you defend the actions of Israel

PurpleThistle7 · 23/03/2026 22:23

ScarlettOYara · 23/03/2026 22:18

I'm just waiting for more minimising on this thread. "It's Israel's fault/it's the synagogue's fault/antisemitism may be partly in the mix/ but Gaza/but Palestine/less random than we thought/ top tier rabbis/etc etc"
Three people burnt out 4 charity ambulances.
They are to blame.

Well social media has mostly decided it was Mossad so maybe this theme is better.

(I can’t. I just can’t. Everything is ridiculous)

AgingLikeGazpacho · 23/03/2026 22:25

PurpleThistle7 · 23/03/2026 22:16

I think it’s terrible that children have been hurt in war. All over the world now, in the past and sadly in the future too. I do object hugely to the idea that there’s a peaceful response option to armed terrorists storming a border to rape and murder. If this happened here, the British army would fight back with intensity - as they should. There wasn’t even an invasion in ww2 and the British army still bombed German towns and cities over and over again. Just googled and they think it was 300,000-600,000 German civilians killed. They have no idea exactly as the cities were totally destroyed. Because destroying the Nazi threat was the priority.

In all this ‘but it’s not kind’ chat, no one has ever explained to me what Israel was meant to do except go back in time and cease to exist. I have never been able to imagine a peace process where one side says ‘we will be done when you and everyone of your religion marches into the sea’ and the other side says ‘no thank you’ and then they just stare at each other for a while.

I agree with you - Israel does have a right to defend itself

I'm also sorry that you feel like you are unsafe in the UK (a few posts above you mentioned it). I also live in Scotland and it made me sad to hear that you're having nightmares about your safety. It's unjustifiable violence and I just wanted you to know that there are people here in the UK who do care about Jewish lives and want you to be able to live here safely

MyAmpleSheep · 23/03/2026 22:25

ScarlettOYara · 23/03/2026 22:18

I'm just waiting for more minimising on this thread. "It's Israel's fault/it's the synagogue's fault/antisemitism may be partly in the mix/ but Gaza/but Palestine/less random than we thought/ top tier rabbis/etc etc"
Three people burnt out 4 charity ambulances.
They are to blame.

Don't forget Hind Rajab; she just popped up too. Top Tier Rabbis is my favourite though.

ScarlettOYara · 23/03/2026 22:34

PurpleThistle7 · 23/03/2026 22:23

Well social media has mostly decided it was Mossad so maybe this theme is better.

(I can’t. I just can’t. Everything is ridiculous)

Ah! A Jewish Conspiracy Theory - of course.

ScarlettOYara · 23/03/2026 22:35

MyAmpleSheep · 23/03/2026 22:25

Don't forget Hind Rajab; she just popped up too. Top Tier Rabbis is my favourite though.

Holocaust survivors, too. Of course

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 22:36

1dayatatime · 23/03/2026 21:25

Where do you get this idea that war has to be proportionate? It's war not a weight ranked boxing match!

2,403 Americans were killed at Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. In the ensuing conflict 3.1 million Japanese were killed. This looks disproportionate, so after say a few hundred thousand should the Americans have eased up a bit in their efforts to defeat Japan because it might not be seen as proportionate?

Argentina started the Falklands War where 255 British were killed compared to 650 Argentinians. Should the British have eased up after 246 Argentinians?

No because that's not how war works. If you attack another country then you accept the consequences both to your military, your Government and your civilian population. If you don't want those consequences then don't attack another country.

I get it from the geneva convention where civilians, prisoners of war, medics should not be targeted
I absolutely do think that the US attack/ retaliation on Japan was disproportionate. I'm not the only one who thinks so either.

Wellthisisdifficult · 23/03/2026 22:43

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 22:36

I get it from the geneva convention where civilians, prisoners of war, medics should not be targeted
I absolutely do think that the US attack/ retaliation on Japan was disproportionate. I'm not the only one who thinks so either.

Art 28 also states that you can’t use human shields to render and area immune to military attack - which Hamas did.

If you think the war against Japan was “disproportionate” you have no idea
what was happening- these things are usually put forward by those with general anti- American leanings.

peace7 · 23/03/2026 22:44

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CatSpells · 23/03/2026 22:54

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Excuse me? What a thing to say. Thankfully, the vast majority of us stand in solidarity with our Jewish friends in expressing our outrage at today's terrorist attack. Leave your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

CircleSquared · 23/03/2026 22:58

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Any sources for such claims?

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 23:24

Wellthisisdifficult · 23/03/2026 22:43

Art 28 also states that you can’t use human shields to render and area immune to military attack - which Hamas did.

If you think the war against Japan was “disproportionate” you have no idea
what was happening- these things are usually put forward by those with general anti- American leanings.

I've literally studied this!
I can't argue with pigeons

Wellthisisdifficult · 23/03/2026 23:29

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 23:24

I've literally studied this!
I can't argue with pigeons

Might want to try studying harder. Also might want to look into records of people who were actually there, like my uncle (some of the stories of the Evil he came across are sickening) or the neighbour of my mum who was suspended over bamboo which grew up through his intestines as a torture in a Japanese camp. Read your little books written by academics who want to make their name, but I’m quite sure the people with real experience there might disagree with you

broccolibiscuits · 23/03/2026 23:41

Humdingerydoo · 23/03/2026 22:09

If they'd wanted to target the synagogue they would have targeted the synagogue and not ambulances.

More importantly, I don't care about what ties the synagogue may or may not have had to Israel - it's not a legitimate target for fire bombing and anyone claiming or insinuating otherwise would be an absolute fucking idiot. Plus, no one seems to ever bother mentioning what these ties might be because people don't care about facts. They care about fun little sound bites that can be easily circulated on TikTok.

Once again anti-Semitic acts are caught on camera but people are refusing to believe them. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

OK, OK don't shoot the messenger, I'm in your corner !

broccolibiscuits · 23/03/2026 23:51

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If the ambulances were "decommissioned" as you claim, why did they still have full oxygen tanks inside, that exploded in the fire?

In addition a "decommissioned" ambulance will be stripped of it's livery and any other marks that identify it as an ambulance.

Please do not promulgate misinformation.

broccolibiscuits · 23/03/2026 23:55

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 22:23

You're never going to convince me of your point of view on this. Not ever, no matter how much you defend the actions of Israel

So how about you just answer the question I posed ?

broccolibiscuits · 24/03/2026 00:11

@PurpleThistle7 "There wasn’t even an invasion in ww2 and the British army still bombed German towns and cities over and over again. Just googled and they think it was 300,000-600,000 German civilians killed. They have no idea exactly as the cities were totally destroyed. Because destroying the Nazi threat was the priority."

No invasion?
Please read on...
In January 1933, Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany. Over the next year and a half, he would consolidate power and transform Germany into a totalitarian dictatorship under Nazi rule.
This set the stage for his aggressive foreign policy to come.
One of Hitler‘s first major foreign policy moves was to withdraw Germany from the League of Nations and the Geneva Disarmament Conference in October 1933. This was a clear rejection of the international system established after World War I.

Nazi Germany signed a 10-year non-aggression pact with Poland in January 1934. This was an attempt to secure Germany‘s eastern border and prevent a two-front war. But Hitler would violate this pact 5 years later.
Emboldened by the lack of response to his rearmament, Hitler ordered German troops to reoccupy the demilitarized Rhineland along the French border in March 1936. This was another violation of Versailles, but again, the western powers did not intervene.

In March 1938, Germany annexed Austria.

At the Munich Conference in September 1938, the leaders of Britain, France and Italy agreed to let Germany annex the Sudetenland (part of Czechoslovakia) in exchange for a promise of no further territorial demands. But it was a false hope.

In March 1939, Hitler violated the Munich Agreement and ordered the German military to occupy the rest of Czechoslovakia.

The final step on the road to war came on September 1, 1939, when Germany launched a massive invasion of Poland. Britain and France, now finally recognizing the threat posed by Hitler, declared war on Germany two days later. World War II had begun.

smooththecat · 24/03/2026 00:13

Wellthisisdifficult · 23/03/2026 18:49

I think we will have to agree to disagree with that! Unfortunately any research that doesn’t sing the praises of Islam is written off. Unless you are willing to look at the problem, however uncomfortable it is, the problem will not be solved. Honest conversations need to be had without threats and accusations

So, because a stranger on the internet doesn’t want to read a 40-page paper you’ve linked, you can’t have a discussion with them? Makes sense. I don’t want to read a paper by a right-wing neocon think tank I don’t really trust. Nothing to do with it not ‘singing the praises of Islam’. That’s all you. Post something by a reputable source e.g. Chatham House and I’d consider it. What are the threats and accusations? That it’s a right-wing neocon think tank? That’s pretty well documented if so.

OneGreySeal · 24/03/2026 00:15

MyAmpleSheep · 23/03/2026 22:25

Don't forget Hind Rajab; she just popped up too. Top Tier Rabbis is my favourite though.

Are you making jest of a little
girl who was brutally murdered by the IDF?

MyAmpleSheep · 24/03/2026 01:15

OneGreySeal · 24/03/2026 00:15

Are you making jest of a little
girl who was brutally murdered by the IDF?

I never make jest about anyone of any age. But the other poster might have been, by suggesting the Israel Defence Force is responsible for the torching of Jewish community ambulances in Highfield Avenue.

I've literally studied this!
I can't argue with pigeons

Also a keeper.

EdithStourton · 24/03/2026 01:17

raffegiraffe · 23/03/2026 22:36

I get it from the geneva convention where civilians, prisoners of war, medics should not be targeted
I absolutely do think that the US attack/ retaliation on Japan was disproportionate. I'm not the only one who thinks so either.

Have you the slightest idea how Japan waged war through southeast Asia? How many Asian civilians were killed, not just during the fighting but in reprisals and as part of repression in Japanese-occupied countries? The plan was to conquer Australia.

This is a complete aside to the main thrust of the thread but seriously, your knowledge of WWII seems to be sadly lacking.

smooththecat · 24/03/2026 01:39

MyAmpleSheep · 24/03/2026 01:15

I never make jest about anyone of any age. But the other poster might have been, by suggesting the Israel Defence Force is responsible for the torching of Jewish community ambulances in Highfield Avenue.

I've literally studied this!
I can't argue with pigeons

Also a keeper.

Your wording here ‘she just popped up’, is extremely dehumanising and it looks as if you intend it to be so, unless you are willing to apologise. Victims of atrocities don’t exactly ‘pop up’.

Bringemout · 24/03/2026 04:32

Just want to echo pp point, it doesn’t matter if Jewish people support Israel or not. There are people in the country who have opinions or support people I find repulsive, if I suspect a group of supporting Hamas or Hezbollah, or thinking being gay should be punished by the state does it warrant me attacking their homes, places or worship, businesses? In a free society people can think what they like and do what they like as long as their activities are legal. What it is not legal to do is to harass and victimise a group of people on the baiss of their ethnicity/religion.

I feel so disgusted with the permissiveness around anti-semitism. It’s disgusting. As someone from a minority community I absolutely stand in solidarity with British Jews.

Bringemout · 24/03/2026 04:42

For anyone trying to reason with the nutcases, just honestly don’t bother. I’ve had the pleasure of being on the receiving end of the conspiratorial thinking and justification of terrorism rants.

Some people aren’t able to reason because they have built so much of their identity around their beliefs about the middle east and Israel that they actually cannot detach themselves for long enough to look at anything objectively, logic or with nuance. For a lots it’s purely ideological and they will twist themselves into knots to justify attacks on British Jews of terrorism.

It is pointless, point out where they are wrong so they don’t spread disinformation to people who are genuinely interested (which many of them will because many actually know very little, most of what they say is based on their feelings or propaganda). But otherwise don’t bother. You are trying to engage with people who aren’t actually having a conversation, they are having a rant.

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