"Not all men” replies are ridiculous

[GarlicFound]

Generalisations exist for a reason. There's no need to point out that there are exceptions. When you want to highlight that your comment's universal, you say "All children", for instance. Generalising to "Children" implies "Children in general, for the most part, usually".

Everybody knows this. So there's no need to specify "NOT ALL MEN" each and every time anyone makes a general observation about men, goddamit!

You don't say "Not all dogs [have four legs]" or "Not all ice-cream [is cold]".

Having a penis doesn't make you especially vulnerable to generalisations. So grow up, please, and accept that YOU or your DH are not "all men" - general comments aren't intended to single you out. And if you feel like they are, you're a bit thick, not to mention narcissistic.

Out of interest what is the law in the case of statutory rape? Like a woman teacher and a boy student?

Actually that’s very similar to saying all women could have anal sex. Yes they could. Biologically. Doesn’t mean they all do

but fgs do you really need that explaining???

I agree with this.

I just see people not accepting statistical generalisations about men but then go on to generalise about other groups accidentally.

There are two examples on this thread

Every rapist, misogynist, cocklodger, or garden variety sexist man is someone's beloved son. None of us want to think our sons could behave in that way, but they very well could, and so it's on us to raise them to not be that way, and to also not be blind to the way society affects young men.

I have known multiple men whose mothers think they're wonderful and sweet, who are in fact terribly misogynistic and outright abusive to the women they date.

I think they can but IANAL.

Actually I think there was a rare case I read, forgive if I got this wrong but it was something like a transgender woman (or woman pretending to be a man) who used a strap on but didn’t tell the woman she used it on that she was actually a woman not a man and it was rape by deception. So, I suppose it could feasibly happen.

There's no such thing as statutory rape in the UK. You've been watching too much American TV.

There are various offences under the Sexual.Offences Act 2003. In the case above the offence would likely be sexual activity with a child or causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity; "Child" is also variously defined as under 13, under 16 and under 18.

That’s why I asked… I haven’t lived in the UK for a long time 🫠

Well I feel a bit sick in my mouth I’m promoting men’s rights but defs think there should be something to protect children. Not saying this happens a lot - but I’m not about silencing victims on either side

I think the women who do this are preoccupied with demonstrating that they are wife material.

the same ones who jump on a thread about violence against women, to inform everyone that men suffer too

PICK ME NIGEL

All women have the potential to sexually assault, yes that would be a fact.

Statistics on Sexual Assault
Gender of Perpetrator Percentage of Cases
Male
90%
Female
10%

Are men having to change their behaviour such as getting a cab home or putting keys between their fingers because they fear women might attack them on their way home at night? Probably not.

It is very much more likely that men fear men because they are far more likely to be attacked by a man.

So men fear men and women fear men.

Which proves my point that it's not all men

who said what was all men?

What are you talking about?

Two points

One, the statistic above uses the word 'gender', not sex. It is a fact that male perpetrators of sexual assault in the UK have been recorded as female if they claimed to be women, so the figure of 10% for female perpetrators could well be too high. The same is true in other jurisdictions.

Two, we still don't know which of the men unknown to us Are Like That and which are not. We therefore have to regard any man we don't know with caution. Because A Lot Of Men Are Like That.

@Laserwho

When people discuss issues they might generalise, they would say

example - There is a problem with Men raping women in society.

No one said all men, they were saying generally as above.

I said earlier in response to another poster that All men have the potential to rape. Because they do because they have a penis and it differentiates hat women don’t have the potential to rape. I didn’t say all men are rapists.

No one has said All men are…….anything

Take a look at the thread title🙄

I was going to caveat the ‘women’ in the stat because it does indeed include trans women. I just didn’t want to derail the thread by bringing it up because I feared the response😂
But indeed the stat is slightly lower for biological women.

Yes, that is what people say when someone generalises.

That is what this whole thread is about.

When someone says

There is a problem with men raping women and girls in society

Apologists start derailing the discussion saying “not ALL men"

Many people don’t understand class analysis. Which is why it’s difficult to have a rational debate with many people.

Because it's not all men. Why is that so hard to understand?

But no one said it’s all men.

The word ‘men’ is defining the group the perpetrators belong to.

Women have periods. correct

All women have periods. not correct

Get it??

Why is it so hard to understand?

I’m saying rapists are men.

Of course rapists are men - The law does not recognise anything else.

A women could ram a huge cucumber into another woman, or even a man, and she would stlll not be guilty of rape (just assault by penetration).

Sexual Offences Act 2003,
A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

FWIW, the CPS have argued that consent can be withdrawn at any time and that it is not necessary for Person B to notify Person A - a position I find quite bizarre given the strictures of (c).

Agree with this. Every rapists mother seems to think he's innocent and a lovely lad who would never...

So much so, that whenever I see a mum of men on SM rabbit on about how lovely their son is I do wonder.
None so blind eh?

There is no law of statutory rape in the UK. That's an American thing
Sexual relations with/abuse of a minor would be the charge I believe