To be relieved with the House of Lords decision?

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I have just seen on the news that the House of Lords have approved the bid to decriminalise abortion. I am so relieved. I can’t believe in a supposed modern society women are still subject to Victorian laws on their own body.

i wish they had gone one step further and enshrined a woman’s legal right to an abortion to help add protections if Nigel and his gang of loons get in and try to pull what they did in America.

But overall I see this as such a win for women everywhere and a welcome change that will remove fear from lots of lives!

Aibu to feel this way? It’s a scary world as a woman at the moment!

I am pro abortion but abortion at term is murder. Nothing more, nothing less

It shouldn't be a legal decision. It should be a medical and mental health decision. Or do you think that doctors run around doing third trimester terminations willy nilly?

Yep. If she's in a relationship where she's decided that she would rather have a termination than tell him to fuck off, a careful surgical procedure > the inevitable news story with threads about how others can't stop thinking about it and they're going to hold their wanted children closer that night.

I didn’t even realise it was criminalised? Good job it’s been decriminalised then or I would be in deeeeeeep shit!

I don’t think you understand what it’s like to be poor in America. Or many other parts of the world. It’s exhausting and heartbreaking and never ending. There is no help.

I am pleased because I was deeply disturbed that the police had started getting involved in stillbirths and late miscarriages. Those experiences are deeply distressing and police investigation will only make it worse. Women need healthcare at this point not criminal accusations.

Any reason under the law.

Getting a late termination still requires a doctor to do it, and doctors are bound by medical ethics standards, which includes duty of care.

If a woman is requesting a termination due to an eating disorder, for instance, it would be possible to be dine without threat of legal reprisal, but would need a psychiatry opinion.

How offensive of you.

I’ve had 2 babies, 2 miscarriages, 0 abortions.

having been pregnant 4 times, I know that instant feeling you get. If you are choosing not to continue the pregnancy at a later stage there is something seriously up. This is shown in evidence too. It won’t be an easy decision at any stage.

You are being an idiot as well as offensive.

Indeed the rules and protection around abortion have not changed. The only thing that has changed is the decision to offer healthcare instead of criminal investigation to a woman who has lost a baby.

They also don't care about the actual child when they are born. They force women to give birth (and also pay huge medical bills for the pleasure) then they insist there is no societal responsibility to support said unwanted children when they are brought into the world. Banging on about adoption, but they wouldn't actually do it themselves.

It's about control of women's bodies, not about care for the child. The American Right doesn't care or want to know once the child actually is born.

Are you OK hun?

Your opinion is valid when it comes to decisions about your own pregnancies. You won't be made to have an abortion against your principles just because the option exists for people whose principles/opinions/beliefs/circumstances are different.

From a legal perspective for an individual woman, it should be any reason.

Banning abortion doesn't stop women from aborting babies.

It makes it unsafe and removes options for counselling. Go check the rates of abortion in countries that ban it.

Don't want an abortion, don't have one. Let those that do have one safely

The reason that this is a great decision is that this allows for both schools of thought.

It 100% allows women to choose abortion if it is right for them.

But it also retains the right for women to choose not to have an abortion, if they don't think it is right for them, for any reason.

What if people that are against blood transfusions got to choose that nobody else could have them? I think most people would agree that would be wrong.

Or if anti-vaxxers managed to ban everyone from accessing vaccinations?

And no, I'm not comparing a blood transfusion to an abortion. I'm highlighting that people should be able to make their own choice with regards to medical treatments available to them.

I just saw a Facebook video of a woman in Florida who was in labour and her doctors had decided she wasn’t progressing and she needed a c section. She disagreed and wanted to continue to labour. They brought an iPad or laptop into her hospital room with a “virtual court” on it so the judge could order her to have the c section to protect the baby. She tried to video the virtual court and wasn’t allowed, was told the court was already recording - it was recording her, half naked and in labour. She had no entitlement to any representation. She was forced to have the c section against her wishes because the judge said so.

I actually don’t think a doctor should be in charge of first trimester abortions at all. Has nothing to do with them.

Late term abortions are super, super rare and I’m content for medical professionals to be involved in those discussions as there’s likely a medical reason for it - including mental health reasons - and the woman will need physical and mental support before and after.

i had an abortion at 10 weeks, two miscarriages at 10 and 14 weeks, and two beautiful children I desperately wanted. I know the feeling of being pregnant when I didn’t want to be and not being pregnant when I wished I was. Both were awful and I wouldn’t wish that panic on anyone.

And where is the help for these children? Are you offering to home an infant who is born unwanted? Are you happy to pay extra taxes to cover the additional burden on the state?

Would you be happy to continue a pregnancy that was the result of rape. Or, if you were a teenager, happy to bring a child into the world being a child yourself? Or maybe if your own daughter found herself 13 and pregnant you’d be happy with that.

No? Thought not.

The legal limit is still 24 weeks. Stop with the hyperbole. Abortions beyond this gestation are less than 1% of the total and overwhelmingly due to severe foetal abnormality.

The world doesn't need another 32,000 people. There is plenty already.

Pro-lifers can fucking do one. They don't give a shit about life. All they want is to control women and take away their choices.

Hillary Clinton, someone I don't often agree with says "Abortion should be available, safe and rare." It is the best take I've heard on it.

I hold the view that abortion is wrong but understand that people have different views. To me any abortion occurring after 18 weeks is morally wrong but I understand that is not a view held by all before 18 weeks I also this is wrong but I understand that it is unlikely ever to become law due to public opinion. I accept people have different view and try to avoid emotive language.

I having a baby that hasn’t developed a brain stem and will die at birth, this happened to a friend.
to deny an abortion in this situation is both cruel and unkind to both mother and child and I refuse to believe that you would continue with a pregnancy of your own in this case. By trying to stop one abortion by legal means you risk stopping them all, is this what you want?