To be relieved with the House of Lords decision?

[InASubmarine]

I have just seen on the news that the House of Lords have approved the bid to decriminalise abortion. I am so relieved. I can’t believe in a supposed modern society women are still subject to Victorian laws on their own body.

i wish they had gone one step further and enshrined a woman’s legal right to an abortion to help add protections if Nigel and his gang of loons get in and try to pull what they did in America.

But overall I see this as such a win for women everywhere and a welcome change that will remove fear from lots of lives!

Aibu to feel this way? It’s a scary world as a woman at the moment!

And yet in a country that doesn't agree with social care or the welfare state (ie the US) you really think they would get the help they need?

That is difficult enough in the UK and we have a better welfare state, yet many thousand of children still live in poverty here.

You can't parent for a parent who doesn't want to parent.

Unwanted, financially ruinous, could have led to the death or disability of the woman, being the breaking point child, lives of poverty, neglect, abuse, the care system and all its abuses, lifelong psychological damage due to being sold adopted, that sort of thing.

This is such a straw man argument. Terminations after the first trimester are almost always due to severe medical issues.

How many woman would realistically do this? Is that a reason to deny all women the right to bodily autonomy?

This all over 🙏🏻

”I don’t want a baby” is a perfectly good reason for having an abortion and it is a full sentence. It doesn’t need a “why” it’s enough on its own

But, without the physical and mental health of the mother, that child could not be born.
That is not “nuanced”, it is a fact.

Just to say as we don’t have a constitution, there is nothing the current government can do to stop future governments from doing anything

I don’t understand why people don’t understand the consequences of this change. And that it categorically does not mean that someone can ask for an abortion at 34 weeks for no medical reason.

Or maybe you do understand that. And are deliberately stoking up the debate.

True, but legislation passed through parliament which provides a right to an abortion would be much harder to overturn!

Exactly. No one goes through a 20 week termination without a really good reason ( social and mental health reasons included ).

Look, let's make it clear - this law DOES NOT change the legal availability of abortion. It just means that women who abort outside those guidelines are not automatically prosecuted. Maybe they have mental health issues - now they can get treatment, not a custodial sentence. Maybe they simply miscalculated as they thought an implantation bleed was a period.

Making people have babies they don't want is terrible. It just pushes abortion underground, or results in a load of neglected, unwanted children. If anyone has read Freakonomics, the authors showed that Roe vs Wade and increased availability of abortion resulted in a 45% decreased crime rate in the US in the 1990s. They revisited the statistics recently and they held up. So, good luck 20 years from now....

Evil and monstrous, a society that is falling into hell.

If you believe Freakenomics, the US will be in for an increased crime rate when all these extra children group up! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect

As others have said, you’re being deliberately inflammatory here. The reasons you have suggested simply do not happen, as statistics show. Additionally the new laws don’t suddenly make this easier, it just means that you can’t be arrested if you have a miscarriage or choose not to continue a pregnancy.

However, for what it’s worth, yes I think any reason for an abortion is valid as it is solely a woman’s choice not to continue a pregnancy and the termination of an as yet unborn foetus is significantly better than a child being born into an unwanted/unloving/abusive life

Proud of?

Unwanted kids grow up to be problematic. No s**t Sherlock :)

To those who will cone along and say "this was discredited": it wasn't.

i wish I could pin this! Whilst I wish we would do something to guarantee the legal right to an abortion, this is not what has happened here. Though hopefully it is a good step in that direction

Its none of anyones business what other women choose to do with their own bodies.

Yes I am proud that my country is making provisions for women in incredibly difficult situations who are seeking healthcare (or feel unable to do so)

At 34 weeks?!

I've seen what happens with a pregnancy that triggers a severe relapse of an ED. There was never going to be a happy ending.

The woman would have been saved a load of suffering over months - and may have even lived to seek more successful treatment - had she been able to easily access a termination when she realised that she couldn't cope with the changes and expectations around her own body.

I find it difficult to celebrate 32000 unwanted children. Statistics are not in their favour.

I am intensely, overwhelmingly pro choice. It’s my hill to die on and I am so grateful I was able to access an abortion when I did and so very grateful for the two wonderful children I had as an adult later on in my life. I am 100% sure having a baby at 17 with an abusive boyfriend and no money would not have made any of our lives better.

I am glad that all women here have choices available to them and have lots of respect for those who make different ones, but this was absolutely the right decision for me and I’ve never had a moment of regret. Of course I regret that I ended up in that situation, but no regret about making that choice.