Should I ask my DS and his girlfriend for money

[DiaryofWimpy]

My DS2 has moved his girlfriend in with her 2 cats.

Obviously it’s another person using the washing machine,,TV, gas and electricity they are both 22 and don’t work but get benefits.

Do you think I’m being unreasonable asking them for money?

no. there. isn't.

Productivity is through the floor, more and more people just do nothing. We cannot as a country afford ir and frankly as someone who happily pays HUGE piles of tax, I don't think I am getting my money's worth.

I was turned down for lcwra three times. I said above that the dwp can overrule a GP. Even if your fit note says depression - an assessor can say you aren't suffering from depression.

I personally wouldn't put myself through that assessment again. One assessor was extremely hostile and the other lied all the way through my report

My mental health deteriorated going through the process of trying to get disability benefits

Right. So you want people on benefits to go out and work a 35 hour week for just over three quid an hour? Would you work for that?

Yes - it would be like the Victorian era. Horrific.

The thing is @SingleSexSpacesInSchools that working has costs, and benefits don't cover those extra costs.
Obvious costs are transport, clothes presentable enough for work, and possibly childcare.
Saying someone on benefits has to work for them just doesn't work.

There will also be many people who can do limited work but who can't find a job that fits their profile. For example people with neurological illnesses that come and go. They may well be able to work say 15hrs a week, but would need to do the work as and when they are well enough. That doesn't fit many employers, and the individual skillsets come into play too. Fine if you have good ability at admin skills, maybe you can do bookkeeping or some such from home, but someone who could be excellent at answering customer calls has to work when the employer wants, not just random hours.

I don't care. No work, no benefits. If you can work you will work. I am quite comfortable with work houses frankly, it's certainly better than the trajectory we are on which is pitiful.

Don't you lose benefits if you allow someone to move in and take money off them? You would where I am outside of the UK. The benefits system seems very generous.

What there maybe should be is incentives for employers to take on long term unemployed people on trial 3 months, with no penalty to employer or unemployed person if it doesn't work out.

Life is not free. It's just not.

If you CAN work - something I have been saying all this time - and you want benefits - you MUST work.

I know plenty of people have reasons for not being able to work at all, real illnesses, real disabilities. I 100% support those people.

I 0% support two people aged 22 on benefits for being anxious. No.

You aren't answering my question. You've proposed a scheme that's not workable and you've just said that you pay high rate tax. But you want people who get 316 pounds a month to pick up litter. For nothing

You obviously don't know what work houses were like. If you think it's appropriate to put unemployed people in them just because they are out of work.

A relative of mine has bipolar and worked all his life - until he couldn't. It's not the same for everyone, and it's not the same at every stage in a person's life, and that should be a given at this point. She didn't choose to have it and she didn't choose for her son to have anxiety. Just leave people the fuck alone.

Yes there should like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9qdpzqnl2o

It's not for nothing - they get their benefits

People don't think this shit through, they think they're geniuses.

There aren't enough jobs for everyone as it is. If there were there would never be any unemployment.

But they aren't leaving me alone are they? I have to work all the time, in order to feed the welfare state? I don't feel very left alone TBH

I think it depends on Area

my ex go lcwra without any proper assessment

he just wrote what was wrong and he got it 2mths later. Been on it for nearly 2years and no assessment review

It's slave labour - and who pays their travel? Where I live it costs 80 pounds plus a month for travel. Some areas will be lower but that's how it is in mine. And please remember that some of the people on 400 pounds a month will be running a home on that. So who pays for them to get to the work house?

The reviews have been paused except for new claimants due to backlogs

Even less jobs if you're exploiting people on benefits to do the job of the cleansing department at half the cost of an employee. It doesn't seem to occur to these Very Clever People that dealing with litter and waste is an actual job that people are already paid for.

Oh no I thought it through.

It's a choice, they either work, or not get any benefits. That's the whole thing end to end.

If you can work you must work.

And there are more than enough things that need doing - and so there are enough jobs

Pot holes
Rubbish clearance
Park maintenance
Visiting old people
Cleaning public toilets
literally anything that needs doing but nobody will pay for

Jobs give people purpose, direction a sense of accomplishment, a reason for existing

Giving people money to do nothing even though they can work (and as I said, plenty of people cannot for many very good reasons) does not help then, it institutionalises them

They don't do a very good job of it do they?

People lived in workhouses.

I would be very concerned that you have allowed a complete cheeky fxxker move into your house.
She soumds like an absolute madam.
Be very very careful you and your son are not being used for housing.
I would tell her that she needs to mind her mouth and manners or find somewhere else to live.
Do not allow them to make you feel outnumbered in YOUR home.
Tell them you will be making a list of house rules that you expect to be followed.....or they know where the door is.
We teach people how to treat us, remember that.