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Pollyanna87 · 15/03/2026 19:23

wiffin · 15/03/2026 18:37

Is number 1 on the list to leave the ECHR?

I would absolutely march in the streets on that. Those are my rights, my kids rights, everyone's rights. Anyone who thinks getting rid of that is a good idea is incredibly naive and short sighted.

Reform are a facist party. People don't like being told they support a far right party. Because people do remember the second world war. But if you read the definition of facist politics, they tick the right boxes.

Right now I don't think they will win. Because there will be a lot of sunlight on them, their views and their 'policies' in the next 4 years.

If things don't change? Dh can get a job anywhere. It's not just the thought of living in a country with them in power. It's the thought of enough of my neighbours voting for them. I don't want to pay tax to support people like that.

At least Reform voters might know how to spell ‘fascist’.

Nosea · 15/03/2026 19:25

shuggles · 15/03/2026 19:08

(1) You can't turn them away anyway because they are travelling to the UK across the English channel.

(2) Some migrants could have been turned away before. The UK never imposed the toughest rules on immigration that were permissible under the EU. That's because Conservative politicians, on first name-terms with wealthy business owners, did not want to restrict immigration and upset business owners.

(3) Note that the UK has been moving towards a Danish model to impose tough immigration restrictions, and there is a massive outcry because apparently the Danish model is too punishing towards migrants and too strict... and yet, it seems to have completely flown over your head, and everyone else's heads, that Denmark is a country in the EU... ... ...

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  1. once they arrive here we can remove them from our nation

  2. there was still free movement it was part of the EU deal

  3. I love what Denmark have done. It's awesome. But they'd still have to accept migration from the EU.

Blueharmonica · 15/03/2026 19:27

MaggieBsBoat · 15/03/2026 19:18

If you don’t see that Farage is a grifter then guess what, you’re the mark.

The left and the right, the liberals, the people who don’t really know, the greens, all need to get together on some level to stop the level of tomfoolery which is slowly destroying the UK, exemplified by Reform.

You’re entitled to your opinion on Farage being a grifter, but the leader of the Greens is an ex tit whisperer so I’m not sure that party is a great suggestion to stop the ‘tomfoolery’

PlasticFantas · 15/03/2026 19:28

Goatsarebest · 14/03/2026 23:52

Freedom of movement didn't mean you could just get a job in another EU Country. You still had to compete for the job and if you can not compete in Ireland you wouldn't be competitive in any other EU Country where you can add language requirements and processes and systems less aligned with UK systems than Irish systems, to the mix.
So there might be a debate to be had about consequences on freedom of movement, but you can't use a headline that is just wrong and then accuse other people who don't vote how you want them to vote as being misinformed or dumb.

It literally meant that you could get any job. Same as you could get any job in your home town. You didn't have to be uniquely qualified over and above citizens/permanent residents, you didn't have to prove that you were the only person who could do the job and that no home citizen/permanent residents could do it in preference over you, you didn't have to meet residency requirements or savings requirements or property requirements, you just had to fulfill the job spec. That is the entire point of having free movement of workers - that workers across the wider area can move to different small parts (European countries are, mostly, very small) to meet demand as it arises.

wiffin · 15/03/2026 19:39

The only people who argue Reform is not far right are reform supporters. People need to own their views.

I agree that migration should be controlled. Its a shame that half of the current reform front ranks made a hash of it for years, massively worsening the situation.

FWIW if you read the definition of facism, you can absolutely see the foundations of it in Reform. And they are building on those foundations over the water. Far right, just like the far left, only serves those at the top.

A little childish to suggest I get a grip. But hey. Thin skinned people generally can't handle the truth being pointed out. Or come up with an actual argument.

Sometimessmiling · 15/03/2026 19:43

APatternGrammar · 14/03/2026 21:08

Your UK passport enables you to live in Ireland so they‘d have to

Not sure about that

Clavinova · 15/03/2026 19:43

shuggles · 15/03/2026 19:08

(1) You can't turn them away anyway because they are travelling to the UK across the English channel.

(2) Some migrants could have been turned away before. The UK never imposed the toughest rules on immigration that were permissible under the EU. That's because Conservative politicians, on first name-terms with wealthy business owners, did not want to restrict immigration and upset business owners.

(3) Note that the UK has been moving towards a Danish model to impose tough immigration restrictions, and there is a massive outcry because apparently the Danish model is too punishing towards migrants and too strict... and yet, it seems to have completely flown over your head, and everyone else's heads, that Denmark is a country in the EU... ... ...

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it seems to have completely flown over your head, and everyone else's heads, that Denmark is a country in the EU

From what I understand, Denmark has a unique opt-out on justice and home affairs - more rigid/comprehensive than the opt-out we had as a member of the EU;

Denmark has opted out of EU cooperation on justice and home affairs. This means that Denmark is not bound by EU laws concerning issues such border control, immigration policies, civil and criminal law and police cooperation, and Denmark does not have the right to vote on these issues in the Council.

https://www.thedanishparliament.dk/eu-information-centre/the-danish-opt-outs-from-eu-cooperation#903DE37B4659482A98774D33D75DA0AE

Sometimessmiling · 15/03/2026 19:44

Czerwonitz · 14/03/2026 21:57

Holyrood looks set to vote in twenty of them

Humans the world over have lost it

Can't see it....

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:45

Reform MP Richard Tice has dodged tax to the tune of £600k.
Farage is investing over £200k in Kwasi Kwarteng’s bitcoin firm.
Kent's Reform Council is selling off public owned art work by British artists.

These people do not have the country's best interests at heart.

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:45

For some reason now MN has hidden two posts I've put on this thread. Why is that please?

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:46

Is it because I mentioned Richard Tice, Farage or Kent Council?

Blueharmonica · 15/03/2026 19:46

The only people who argue Reform is not far right are reform supporters. People need to own their views.

@wiffin Thats not factually correct, the only people who have labelled them as far right are some commentators for the guardian, the independent and hope not hate..the same people who also claim men can grow a cervix.

PandoraSocks · 15/03/2026 19:50

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:46

Is it because I mentioned Richard Tice, Farage or Kent Council?

Did you mention a certain currency?

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:53

PandoraSocks · 15/03/2026 19:50

Did you mention a certain currency?

Yes I did! How peculiar. Why don't they like currency?

Blueharmonica · 15/03/2026 19:54

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:45

For some reason now MN has hidden two posts I've put on this thread. Why is that please?

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PandoraSocks · 15/03/2026 19:55

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:53

Yes I did! How peculiar. Why don't they like currency?

I think it is an automatic spam filter.

Clavinova · 15/03/2026 19:56

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:46

Is it because I mentioned Richard Tice, Farage or Kent Council?

I didn't see your posts, but did you post anything that might be considered libellous regarding tax affairs? That was mentioned on the radio today (Tice).

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:58

Thanks @clarinova nothing that hasn't been reported widely in multiple outlets including The Times. Tice on Tax, Kent Council on selling work by British artists and Farage's investment in bitcoin.

PlasticFantas · 15/03/2026 19:59

Lol I think they just don't like you.

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 20:00

Christ, this is tortuous.

I was trying to reply to @clarinova. Thanks for that. I wasn't saying anything that hasn't been reported in multiple outlets including the Times. I didn't think it was that controversial.

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 20:00

PlasticFantas · 15/03/2026 19:59

Lol I think they just don't like you.

HA! Happy to accept that, but they're letting me post up on here and other threads so long as I don't mention numbers. I think I have my answer now though.

PlasticFantas · 15/03/2026 20:05

It's a bit weird, admitted I missed your original post but the last few I haven't seen anything deletion worthy.

Wellthisisdifficult · 15/03/2026 20:09

Blueharmonica · 15/03/2026 19:27

You’re entitled to your opinion on Farage being a grifter, but the leader of the Greens is an ex tit whisperer so I’m not sure that party is a great suggestion to stop the ‘tomfoolery’

I’m a hypnotherapist and the man who currently leads the Greens is an absolute embarrassment to the world of hypnotherapy. Although I can see him trying to use conversational hypnosis all the time. He’s a manipulator. I would say out of all our politicians he has the most in common with leaders like Hitler in his style and content.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/03/2026 20:28

MissingSockDetective · 15/03/2026 18:50

Ugh, I really hope we as a country don't start to model ourselves on Trump's ways and values, that really would be embarrassing.

I dont think we will. The Trump effect is damaging the Right across western democracies and shows no sign of letting up.

Anyway, Reform have neither the infrastructure, candidates or discipline to win the next GE. Nigel will sell them out to the Tories. Again.🙄