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Yellowshirt · 16/03/2026 18:27

MsGreying · 16/03/2026 11:48

We need parties who are realistic about how much money we have to spend.
Unless we can grow the economy we're doomed.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

I think they get enough taxes. They just waste it. Look at the debt interest we pay annually.

They need someone in government who can do basic maths. Target the debt first and don't be wasting money

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 18:54

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/03/2026 17:21

If they scrap net zero and publicize the drop in immigration and how tough the laws are now, they stand a good chance of winning.
Starmer needs to be replaced with someone with something that passes as a personality though.

they stand a good chance of winning.

Are you talking about Labour? I can’t begin to fathom how you’ve arrived at this conclusion.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 16/03/2026 19:25

bringthewashingin · 16/03/2026 18:08

You must have.

Calling people fascists then walking away does not have the power it once did.

in fact people like you are devaluing the word so it’s almost meaningless

if you think any part of Reforms manifesto is fascistic, tell us which part and why?

I could make a very good case for Labours actions, getting rid of jury trials, policing speach and criticism of the state as far closer (though still not at all fascistic) than Reforms…

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/03/2026 19:29

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 18:54

they stand a good chance of winning.

Are you talking about Labour? I can’t begin to fathom how you’ve arrived at this conclusion.

Because the Tories are out for a generation, the Greens unlimited immigration will sink them, Reform are an opposition party, who’s left?

EasternStandard · 16/03/2026 19:33

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/03/2026 19:29

Because the Tories are out for a generation, the Greens unlimited immigration will sink them, Reform are an opposition party, who’s left?

It doesn’t mean people will want Labour again after this term. They are showing it with votes already.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 16/03/2026 19:40

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/03/2026 19:29

Because the Tories are out for a generation, the Greens unlimited immigration will sink them, Reform are an opposition party, who’s left?

There are plenty of shire seats that will stay true blue for another generation and - Reform are in front of a lot in front. They’re going to win the next election especially on a Tory-restore-reform coalition.

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 19:44

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/03/2026 19:29

Because the Tories are out for a generation, the Greens unlimited immigration will sink them, Reform are an opposition party, who’s left?

I’m not sure what you mean by Reform being an opposition party, they are the clear favourites to win. Labour are behind the Tories in voting intention opinion polls and thats before Labour’s tax rises really begin to bite in unemployment.

  • Reform UK: 23%
  • Conservative: 19%
  • Green: 19%
  • Labour: 17%
  • Liberal Democrat: 14%
JontyGentooey · 16/03/2026 19:55

JingsMahBucket · 14/03/2026 21:19

Right wing English people keep stupidly and spitefully voting to hobble themselves, their children and everyone else. It’s frustrating because the other 3 countries keep voting against this horse shit.

The Welsh majority also voted Leave. Fyi.

Clavinova · 16/03/2026 20:17

catinateacup · 15/03/2026 23:38

Most of those countries have special Commonwealth migration arrangements with the U.K. anyway. They were able to have this when we were in the EU, too.

It has been our governments’ policy not to train our own medical graduate and employ them for decades and decades (across both left and right wing parties). Places on medicine courses are subject to quotas. We deliberately under-train our workers so that we can fill jobs from workers trained elsewhere. We also under-train our young people in general, loading them up with debt for tertiary education and training and instead importing workers from elsewhere to fill skills gaps.

If you want to change this: great! Just know that is not remotely what Reform want to do. That would require massive expansion, funding and renationalisation of higher and vocational education, and Reform voters, who uniformly parrot the “too many graduates / Tony Blair fifty percent” bollocks, very especially don’t want that.

In fact, you can’t say in one breath that you want to open up high skill jobs to China and the US; and then in the next claim we should be training our own kids instead. Those two things are not really compatible with each other (and Brexiteers/Reformers don’t really want to pay for educating anyone. They most particularly do not want to pay more tax so that we can expand universities and vocational training in order to educate British kids to a higher skill level).

And why do you think so few Britons speak another language? First, because it’s not valued in our society; but recently, more tellingly, because Michael Gove (a Brexiter) included in his reforms to the school curriculum measures explicitly to downgrade languages in state schools. As a result, hardly any schools teach languages now; and since 2010 the number of children studying two languages at school, something that was routine even in comprehensives when I was at school, is now a vanishingly tiny proportion of the cohort.

And why do you think so few Britons speak another language? First, because it’s not valued in our society; but recently, more tellingly, because Michael Gove (a Brexiter) included in his reforms to the school curriculum measures explicitly to downgrade languages in state schools

I remember Michael Gove trying to increase participation in language study with the introduction of the Ebacc. Clearly, the dramatic decline in the number of pupils taking modern foreign languages at GCSE occurred under Labour - after language GCSEs became optional from 2004 (see the chart in the link). There was an uptick when Gove was education secretary;

https://theconversation.com/many-gcse-students-still-arent-taking-modern-foreign-languages-how-to-motivate-them-to-consider-it-211779

Also -
Learning a foreign language will be compulsory from age seven in England's primary schools in an overhaul of the national curriculum, [Michael Gove] the education secretary is to announce;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18384536

KatiePricesKnickers · 16/03/2026 20:46

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 19:44

I’m not sure what you mean by Reform being an opposition party, they are the clear favourites to win. Labour are behind the Tories in voting intention opinion polls and thats before Labour’s tax rises really begin to bite in unemployment.

  • Reform UK: 23%
  • Conservative: 19%
  • Green: 19%
  • Labour: 17%
  • Liberal Democrat: 14%
Edited

Reform candidates are mostly a shower of shite though.
Hopefully that will show through.

Leahrosemary · 16/03/2026 21:17

twentyeightfishinthepond · 16/03/2026 10:08

They ought to be the same, but you know that currently they are not.

No, not at all.
I wasn’t being political or trying to make some nationalistic point.
Did you think I was?

I’ve given the correct names as they are officially.

People in the UK often say Southern Ireland instead of Ireland (aka ROI).
It’s understandable because of the analogy with Northern Ireland, but it’s just wrong and can be a bit annoying. Partly because the most northerly point on the island is in the republic, not in NI.
Mostly because it’s the wrong name.
How would you like it if the country next door rechristened England as, say, Western England and people kept saying things like they were going for their holidays in Norfolk in Western England? 😅

PandoraSocks · 17/03/2026 11:33

Blueharmonica · 16/03/2026 19:44

I’m not sure what you mean by Reform being an opposition party, they are the clear favourites to win. Labour are behind the Tories in voting intention opinion polls and thats before Labour’s tax rises really begin to bite in unemployment.

  • Reform UK: 23%
  • Conservative: 19%
  • Green: 19%
  • Labour: 17%
  • Liberal Democrat: 14%
Edited

It is all very well leading the opinion polls, but actual, viable candidates for the electorate to vote for are needed. Reform is struggling with that it seems.

www.onlondon.co.uk/reform-steps-up-search-for-borough-elections-candidates/

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 17/03/2026 11:53

PandoraSocks · 17/03/2026 11:33

It is all very well leading the opinion polls, but actual, viable candidates for the electorate to vote for are needed. Reform is struggling with that it seems.

www.onlondon.co.uk/reform-steps-up-search-for-borough-elections-candidates/

People don’t vote for candidates they vote for parties, in national elections even though technically we vote for the person. Won’t make any difference.

PandoraSocks · 17/03/2026 12:04

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 17/03/2026 11:53

People don’t vote for candidates they vote for parties, in national elections even though technically we vote for the person. Won’t make any difference.

Of course it will make a difference if Reform can't find candidates to put on the ballot paper!

No named candidate for Reform on the ballot paper, no box to tick for Reform on the ballot paper. Even list systems have named candidates. Maybe you're not from the UK and don't understand this?

And it seems this is an issue for Reform. As well as them struggling in London, Reform hasn't announced a single candidate in Wales. It hasn't even announced where its Welsh leader will stand AFAIK. Probably because there is some doubt whether he actually lives in Wales.

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 12:06

PandoraSocks · 17/03/2026 11:33

It is all very well leading the opinion polls, but actual, viable candidates for the electorate to vote for are needed. Reform is struggling with that it seems.

www.onlondon.co.uk/reform-steps-up-search-for-borough-elections-candidates/

Who is their competition? Ex tit whisperers, convicted terrorists, current labour mp’s? I don’t think it will be a major issue for Reform.

PandoraSocks · 17/03/2026 12:10

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 12:06

Who is their competition? Ex tit whisperers, convicted terrorists, current labour mp’s? I don’t think it will be a major issue for Reform.

It will be if they can't actually find candidates.

Blueharmonica · 17/03/2026 12:12

PandoraSocks · 17/03/2026 12:10

It will be if they can't actually find candidates.

Yes, that is true. I wonder if there will be a deal with the conservatives after all.

wiffin · 17/03/2026 19:37

Blueharmonica · 15/03/2026 22:15

It’s quite hard to compare a manifesto that doesn’t exist, but Hitlers main policies in 1933 were around state control of the economy, suppression of dissent and the elimination of political opposition. None of these have been touted as policies by Reform, in fact they have been pretty vocal on criticising Labour for increasing state control of the economy and suppressing dissent.

My genuine advice would be do some reading from sources where it’s not sensationalised and you will realise there is nothing to worry about let alone have to leave the country. You may even find you like some of Reforms ideas.

Edited

Ideas like taxing women who don't have children more?

wiffin · 17/03/2026 19:43

How they want to abolish EDI and focus on merit? That's happening in the US. Fine for white straight men. Not so much the rest of us.

How they want to promote traditional marriage and marriage roles? Role on the 1950s.

How they want to restrict access to abortion? Fundamental pillar of women's rights.

They are not pro woman. Unless you want a 1950s lifestyle.

Like most right wingers, yes they know what a woman is. You can only press something you recognise. Their views on biological sex do not make them pro women.

Nosea · 17/03/2026 22:25

Abolishing DEI I agree with.

I don't agree with what Goodwin said, I don't think it's reform's policy. I don't think they want to restrict abortion, it's politically unfeasible in the UK anyway. I think you can only want to restrict it if you are pro natalist as make it financially easy and affordable to have kids. Many people would say what about the baby's right to be born.

Blogswife · 17/03/2026 23:07

Yellowshirt · 15/03/2026 01:56

I don't think the country can get much worse than it is now.

We have been absolutely flooded with migrants and its a disaster waiting to happen. They have just been moved out of a hotel in Shropshire and given brand new houses.

The taxes are already high and yet working class people are getting absolutely nothing back. I honestly don't see the point anymore in going to work to see taxes continuely wasted. It's not a fair tax system at all. I will be better off and have less stress if I don't work so what's the point.

I don't think Farage is the answer at all but Labour just isn't working.

The greens don't want a military and want to legalise drugs so they are not getting my vote.

So I'll look to see if the conservatives can actually make decisions and fix the country but they were a disgrace before Labour got in. Otherwise I'll reluctantly vote Reform.

The Reform Party that you’ll reluctantly vote for is made up of the very same defected Conservative MPs that made such a monumental hash of “making decisions and fixing the country “ when the Tory’s were last in power .
You won’t be giving a new party the chance to change things , you’ll be giving the same losers that fucked us all over the opportunity to do it all again !

MissingSockDetective · 18/03/2026 03:08

Blogswife · 17/03/2026 23:07

The Reform Party that you’ll reluctantly vote for is made up of the very same defected Conservative MPs that made such a monumental hash of “making decisions and fixing the country “ when the Tory’s were last in power .
You won’t be giving a new party the chance to change things , you’ll be giving the same losers that fucked us all over the opportunity to do it all again !

Yep, it's basically a rebrand, a really see through disguise.

PistachioTiramisu · 18/03/2026 08:43

I'm betting on a Conservative/Reform coalition. Reform will shake up the Conservatives with new ideas, the Conservatives will rein in some of Reform's untenable policies.

PandoraSocks · 18/03/2026 08:49

PistachioTiramisu · 18/03/2026 08:43

I'm betting on a Conservative/Reform coalition. Reform will shake up the Conservatives with new ideas, the Conservatives will rein in some of Reform's untenable policies.

To be a junior partner in a coalition with Reform could be the final nail in the Conservative's coffin. Look what happened to the Lib Dems in 2015.

Goatsarebest · 18/03/2026 19:41

catinateacup · 14/03/2026 23:58

Daft as a brush

Freedom of movement didn't mean you could just get a job in another EU Country.

That’s exactly what it meant 🤦‍♀️

Edited

You are wrong and have made yourself looking a bit silly by your reaction.
It gave you the right to apply for jobs not the right to get a job. The context of my post was because OP said they won't give them a job in Ireland.
So maybe read what was written before you react in that way. That's half the problem. People assuming they know based on their wrong interpretation and then being insulting about it and calling other people daft.