If reform won the next election I couldn't bear living here but thanks to farage there's nowhere to go

[Czerwonitz]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

Denigrating awful trumpy nonsense

Maybe Ireland would take me in

Ok but which party IS competent though?

i won’t be voting for Farage but i won’t be voting for Starmer who is literally bringing in fascism by the back door (abolishing juries, allowing arrests for hurty tweets, pushing for digital ID). I would honestly rather have an incompetent leader than an evil one.

Not sure why people are laughing at the idea of sharia law - it’s an inevitability once there are enough Muslims in power, which is only a matter of time.

All those things have been happening for years, sadly. There has been no civil unrest so severe it triggers a GE, so far.

I get the feeling you are setting out what you hope will happen.

History happens very slowly and then all at once.

Well, time will tell.

You mean the Welsh and people in the Midlands and north of England keep voting it?
Scotland is still dominated by SNP, but given thats a nationalist party its likely they would have a lot of reform voters if not for SNP too.
The votes which dont go to SNP are primarily still right wing in Scotland.
The south of england is basically the only area counteracting the mess votes elsewhere would be causing.

We need parties who are realistic about how much money we have to spend.
Unless we can grow the economy we're doomed.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

You are certainly over exaggerating some points and oversimplifying others in my opinion.

I believe we too could have better energy security if we were to exploit our own resources and stopped adding net zero costs to the price of fuel. We have chosen not to. If the USA had a net zero energy policy like those in the UK and Europe, and decided not to “drill baby drill” anymore, their fuel prices would go up.

As it stands the rise that you see is a rebound after Covid. Where demand for fuel was so low during 2020 the prices of gas went right down. The prices then rocketed under the Biden administration as well.

As for raised prices in the supermarkets, I spend a lot of time in the USA every single year. Months at a time. I have not seen what you’ve stated, reflected in my shopping basket. There have been some goods that have risen in price, similarly to over here in the UK, but my shopping basket has nowhere near doubled. Are you American? I am not sure where you’ve got this information from because even inflation does not reflect the doubling of all products.

As for the southern border, increased enforcement and surveillance has most definitely had an impact on the amount of border crossings. Millions of people entered the US illegally under the Democrat administration. Numbers are significantly lower under Trump.

Finally, where issues have occurred with ICE, it is normally in blue cities. Full cooperation with ICE could have avoided many of the tragedies we have seen.

i’ve told you before, we have fundamentally different ideologies. And whilst you might see the party Reform as a disaster, I see hope.

Two things can be looked at in very different ways depending on the person and their values. We could keep trying to correct each other over fuel costs or border crossings, but honestly we aren’t likely to get anywhere and that is because we both have very different beliefs.

I do not mind who you vote for. I would never call you stupid for who you decide to vote for, even though the Greens send chills down my spine and I can’t understand for the life of me why anybody would vote for them. But I accept that we all see the world very differently and you will have your reasons for who you vote. I am sick of these threads blindly calling Reform voters ignorant, stupid, thick, when we just have a different set of values and are choosing a party that best reflects those values. Your fear of that it’s not my problem.

This sounds straight out of the MAGA cult handbook. Get your facts straight and stop spreading misinformation - you are dangerous. FOX news isn’t even a registered news channel, it’s ’entertainment’ the dailymail doesn’t count as I legitimate news source either.
The US is under a fascist authoritarian regime and we’re entering a very dangerous time.
You shopping in the states occasionally when you take a holiday there isn’t evidence enough that Tariffs don’t work, or spouting nonsense that ‘if people in blue states just abided by the ‘law’ it wouldn’t be an issue’. This is false. ICE have been known to drag children away on their way to school because they’re brown, when they are waving their legal documents in their faces. ICE have not been showing any warrants - they are the ones acting illegally. Fortunately this is all well documented and they will be prosecuted. Especially the ICE agents who have murdered US citizens, including an ICU nurse. The footage is there for anyone to see but I suspect you only want to hear what you to hear.
Are you Pam Bondi? 🤣

Yep and every tax on success lowers growth, every tax on education lowers growth, every poorly thought out employment legislation lowers growth, every light touch policing policy lowers growth, every housing tax hurts growth, every benefit that disincentives work hurts growth, making tax submissions more regular and onerous hurts growth, every alarming act of thought policing attempts hurts growth….so why is it all our Government ever do? Have they done anything that could remotely be considered even neutral on growth rather than negative?

Thank you for responding with a rant and resorting to ‘maga cult’ insults and accusations that my views are based on a holiday.

Your emotional tirade has no verifiable facts and a couple of contested examples. It was not the most productive use of my time to read.

No, they haven’t. I can’t work out why.

Is it because they don’t have experience in business and generating wealth?

Or is the fudging the books, where they believe more people = higher GDP, so the country looks like it’s doing better than it is?

Or is it deliberately trying to tank the economy, so they can bring in new policies that would be seen as too controversial outside of desperate times?

I just can’t make sense of it. You’d think they’d realise that you can’t tax your way to growth…I mean, they have probably heard that exact line a million times.

Starmer and Reeves have said the lines you can’t tax your way to growth, but probably don’t get it due to your first question.

I would have preferred Sunak

I liked Sunak. I wish he’d been stronger on a few issues, like net zero.

I really like Kemi. I think she’d be a very good PM. But I think now is the wrong time. It’s too late for the Conservatives.

You forgot Labour, they will get a second term I believe, I don't think Greens will win or Reform.

Dear God o hope not, 2 years in they’ve already really fucked things up - they got in on the “we need change” ticket! People now know they’re a shit show. I highly suspect we will have a Right coalition of the Tories, Reform and Restore Britain.

I think the best they can hope for is a coalition with Reform and potentially Restore Britain with strategic fielding of candidates.

I’m happy to discuss this calmly, but you don’t seem interested in facts or evidence - much like Trump. If you think I’m wrong, please provide verifiable sources for the specific claims.

For example:

1. Evidence that Donald Trump’s policies and actions have kept oil and petrol prices low (ideally data showing a link between his policies and price changes).
2. Evidence that tariffs have had a positive impact on the US economy, such as GDP growth, wage growth, manufacturing output, or trade balance improvements directly attributed to those tariffs.
3. Evidence that the ICE actions discussed are legal , including court rulings or legal analyses confirming that the specific actions in question comply with US law

If there are credible studies, government reports, or court decisions supporting those points, I’d genuinely like to read them (no Fox News, daily fail)

Otherwise, it’s difficult to have a productive conversation with you.

I’d be interested in seeing the evidence behind your admiration for Donald Trump given the 34 felony convictions, multiple bankruptcies (8 I believe) and his repeated appearance in the Epstein files. If there’s solid evidence supporting your position, I’m open to reading it.

Labour will get less seats than the Greens I think. They certainly will not win.

@Wellthisisdifficult seconded on a coaliton being the most likely outcome next time

Trump’s pro-drilling, pro-pipeline, pro-permitting stance coincided with very high U.S. oil output, and higher U.S. output likely helped restrain crude and gasoline prices at the margin. At least under him America went to export energy and used home grown energy.

Section 301 tariffs increased estimated U.S. production of audio and video equipment by about 6–7%, and other general-purpose machinery by a little over 5%

Steel and aluminium benefitted.

ICE are detaining and removing illegal aliens. Illegal aliens break the law by being illegal.

The "felony convictions" are for business records. Lots of people are in the Epstein files, no evidence of misconduct. And also some companies didn't work out, but he's still very wealthy.

Not a fan of evidence of facts are we.
lets set the record straight - US oil production did reach very high levels during the presidency of Trump, but the increase had already been underway for years because of the shale boom and new drilling technology.

Production rose during the administrations of George Bush and Obama. Analysts at the US Energy Information Administration usually attribute most of the growth to market forces and technology rather than one administration. The US also became a net energy exporter in 2019 partly because Congress ended the crude export ban in 2015.

As you mentioned, Section 301 tariffs did increase output in some protected sectors. Studies estimate about a 6 to 7 percent rise in some electronics equipment and about a 5 percent rise in certain machinery. But economists at the National Bureau of Economic Research say the tariffs also raised costs for companies that import parts and led to higher prices for consumers. China’s retaliation reduced U.S. farm exports and the government spent billions compensating farmers.

Steel and aluminum producers benefited from the tariffs. However industries using those metals employ far more workers and faced higher input costs. Studies found that job losses in metal using industries likely offset the gains in steel production.

On immigration, being in the country without authorisation does violate immigration law and enforcement is carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. BUT immigration violations are civil rather than criminal matters and research finds undocumented immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens.

For the felony cases involving Donald Trump - Prosecutors argued the records were falsified to conceal another offence, which is why the jury convicted him.

Jeffrey Epstein and the files - if you are best pals will a pedophile for over 10 years, and have your names featured more than any other person (more times than Jesus in the bible) in the files, with multiple victims accusing you of wrong doing including rape. Why not release them? What’s there to hide? Surely that would stop the accusations immediately.

On business success, Trump remains wealthy thanks to the inheritance from his father. However despite the great wealth he inherited at birth, he still managed to go bankrupt 6 times. That doesn’t strike me as a great business man.

Supporting Donald Trump and the Republican administration doesn’t mean believing he’s perfect or that every policy has worked perfectly. Just agreeing with the values behind what he is doing is enough.

On tariffs, the goal wasn’t short-term GDP it was strategic against China and was also protection of specific US industries. An example, the steel and aluminium tariffs reduced imports and led to billions in domestic investment and jobs. Even his biggest critics acknowledge many sectors benefited from the tariffs.

Before covid and during Trumps first term, the US economy had low unemployment (3.5%), rising household income, and strong stock market growth and again critics agreed that tax cuts, deregulation, and energy policy was effective.

On the energy prices, the USA became the world’s largest oil producer during Trump’s presidency, which naturally puts downward pressure on prices. They still have net zero goals, but not ones that stifle growth.

Regarding ICE, immigration enforcement is legal under existing US law. Courts have repeatedly upheld the government’s decisions to detain and remove people.

As for your other points, I see the convictions as politically motivated and still subject to appeals. What he did regarding his businesses is also common practice in that field.

You don’t have to agree with any of that and you probably won’t. I don’t care. These are facts. I have given you facts. I am not going to go and find sources for those facts because I have the better things to do with my time but you are welcome to look them up yourself.

If they scrap net zero and publicize the drop in immigration and how tough the laws are now, they stand a good chance of winning.
Starmer needs to be replaced with someone with something that passes as a personality though.

You must have.