To think vapes need consigning to the history books?

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As above.

They are ridiculous things that add massively to landfill, and after this disastrous fire in Glasgow it's been proven how dangerous they are!

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16014837/glasgow-vape-shop-blaze-tears-through-iconic-city-centre/

The original point of them was to help people give up smoking. The idea was that you use vapes for a few months, lessening the nicotine in them every few weeks, until your cravings have subsided.

People start vaping now just for the hell of it. Including teenagers, because they have them in sweet and appealing flavours!

Time to stop making these things!

I think adults should be allowed to purchase whatever they like, vapes, cigarettes, alcohol, I'd say alcohol is far worse than a vape but there's no call to ban that and nor should there be for adults who can make their own decisions.

You can’t really compare vaping to drinking though - I’m not made to passively drink alcohol every time I pass someone sitting in a beer garden.

I agree. They should be prescription only. Think they’ve done that in Australia. And absolutely shouldn’t be sold on view. They only just covered up cigarettes on sales!

I know right. They have covered up cigarettes, yet vapes are everywhere on view!

I think they should be banned.

Also... https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/english-school-children-unwittingly-smoking-spice-spiked-vapes-finds-university-of-bath/

There are quite often stories about fires in bin lorries caused by lithium batteries not correctly disposed of.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4en50v6ngo

Oops, wrong thread. Meant to post in the Glasgow fire thread. But it equally applies here.

And lots of emerging evidence that they are very harmful

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/e-cigarettes-vaping/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung#

Because stopping smoking isn't about addiction in a lot of ways.

The addiction from nicotine is fast, but extremely mild to come off overall. Someone who spent 50 years smoking 50 a day, would be over the addiction in no time. The main part within days, completely gone within a month.

Nicotine does have a high habbit forming action though, and it is this part that people have to address. Patches dont address this and were always very limited in help. Patches were supposed to stop the initial thoughts that you have made a mistake from the first addiction leaving early, while you focus on redirecting the habbit. Then when you reduce the addiction as normal you dont have to also face the habbit forming part pulling you back.

But everyone would just stick the patch on, think that was it, and wonder why it didn't help. Vapes are the new habbit part of the equation.

I agree. They are bloody disgusting. They remind me of babies sucking on dummies but emitting disgusting smells like a vapour trail.

So what?
Methadone hasnt solved Heroin use - but it's harm reduction, and that is beneficial regardless of whether mumsnetters think its approproate or not.

I hate them with a passion, I don't understand how fanatics of these awful anti-social things can defend them. I very much doubt they have no long-term adverse health effects and they are terrible for the environment. Very few people actually use them as a short-term measure to wean themselves off cigarettes - even if that is their intention to begin with, they seem to get hooked on the vape, and then there are the ones who have never smoked but seem to think it looks cool (it really doesn't). I don't give a chuff what people do to their own bodies but I really object to breathing a cloud of god-knows-what that has just been exhaled from someone's chest cavity whilst I'm walking along blissfully unaware that someone in front of me is about to unleash it on me. And unlike cigarette smoke, it hangs in the air for ages especially on a damp day - sometimes when I walk to work early in the morning I can smell it in the air yet there's nobody around. It's a vile, stupid habit.

I hate smoking and I hate vaping! Get rid of all of it! People don't need to be doing either.

Regardless of the Central Station fire, vapes should be banned.

So allegedly they're better than cigarettes? People shouldn't even start using vapes, never mind tobacco products, and they look ridiculous.

I think they have been hugely beneficial to many people to help quit smoking. Agree that far too many kids have taken up vaping. Maybe they should be prescription only?

I think that they should be available on prescription only to smokers wanting to quit.

Your comment reminded me of this. As a Scottish person of a certain age it's permanently embedded in my brain along with 'haw Sarah ah really fancy you so how's about it eh'.

I’m the same. I plan to give up vaping soon but they helped me quit to the point of being a militant ex-smoker. The smell of cigarettes makes me gag now. (I know it’s a bit illogical).

In both cases the ultimate aim should be to stop completely, not just be addicted to something different.
And actually there is emerging evidence of the harms of vaping. They’re a relatively new invention, there is no long term evidence one way or the other and ingesting chemicals on a daily basis is unlikely to be a good thing. Remember people weren’t aware of the awful impact of smoking for many many years.

People don’t need to drink alcohol either or eat chocolate, should we get rid of those too?
ban vapes and smoking and people will just find another addiction

those vaping that have never smoked are probably the ones like me, I started smoking at school age 12. If vapes had been about I would have done that. At least they’re not smoking

I quit a 40 a day habit with a vape

i was thinking of the schoolgirl that died of popcorn lung

Socially it is surely better for society that people aren’t dying prematurely or needing years of support for smoking related illnesses? If people are three times more likely to successfully beat their addiction to nicotine using vapes than the alternative patches or gum then removing that option is obviously going to have an impact.
The concept that addiction could just, you know, stop their addiction by not doing it, is fairly obtuse.

When did alcohol last set a railway station on fire?

Alcohol is heavily regulated. You need a licence to sell it. Maybe there should be proper licencing for retailing vapes, to ensure that they aren't distributing iffy imports, and that they aren't selling to children.

I don’t throw my phone and laptop in the bin daily

But would they have started smoking instead? Is there a net drop in smokers? I think it’s fairly short sighted to be making these statements if you don’t know the impact.

It’s an absolute joke. The gov have let teenagers get sick and addicted to them. They weren’t even smoking and smoking rates were falling!