To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

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Well it’s not really a debate, is it? You either don’t care, or you’re absolutely seething because your meat may or may not be halal. But irrespectively of what you think about this, AIBU to think that people ‘outing’ businesses on social media about what meat they use and encouraging hundreds of people to smear them not just in posts but reviews to tank their ratings is just crazy?

Hundreds of people commenting ‘I’ve just left them a bad review on google’ because a (British owned baked potato) business extended their trading hours to their Muslim customers? People who have never bought anything from them in their life, probably geographically will never go there. Actively trying to sabotage a business because you think you’re what - some sort of activist?

And don’t get me started on the posts where people reach out to these poor customer service reps in supermarkets to ask them if the meat they sell is halal because of this mad narrative that ‘80% of supermarket meat is halal’ - where has this nonsense come from?!?! 😂 People screenshotting and commenting about how ‘Clare from Lidl’ is avoiding the question when she probably doesn’t have a scooby and the answer probably isn’t a straight yes or no either!

Madness. Utter madness. People treating this like it’s a full time job.

No, I won’t. I don’t want to eat halal or kosher meat.

Takeaway was just an example. I don’t eat takeaways. Let me take another example.

I recently went to an Indian restaurant in Canary Wharf with colleagues. My Muslim colleague went to order the veggie version of the chicken curry the rest of us had ordered. The waitress then told her the chicken was halal and so she then ordered the chicken curry too. She was given a choice and we were not. This was not a cheap take away. Better example for you?

Well, no, they werent given a choice. It was halal either way

The majority of people on this thread are totally unreasonable. Just because someone eats meat doesn't mean they shouldn't be given a choice. Flip your argument the other way. Should halal eating observers be sorted to eat non halal meat just because it is meat?
Should people be forced to eat GM food unknowingly because it's food?

Exactly. If animal welfare was actually the issue people may as well just protest against all take aways.

I would not eat kosher, but that isn’t what the debate is about. It’s about being given the choice as a non Muslim.

What debate?

If you are not a Muslim, what difference does it make?

Serious question.

No she was given the choice as it was deemed important enough to mention it was halal, while assumed the rest of us would not care either way.

I don't eat a lot of meat. But I would rather not eat halal meat.
Wny should we have this thrust upon us.

Meat should be labelled if it’s Halal or Kosher so people can make an informed decision. All animals should be slaughtered with minimal suffering as possible and it’s not racist to expect animal welfare to be put before religious ideology.

There's no place for such horrific cruelty for religious purposes.
It needs banning

Not really. Your average restaurant won't be buying expensive meat that has been raised with high welfare standards either.

Unless you are deliberately making a point to seek out meat that has been raised with high welfare standards, and only eating at establishments which explicitly make that a feature of their offer, then you clearly don't give a shit about animal welfare. And the faux concern about halal meat is just a proxy for Islamophobia.

Doesn't really matter what you think other people should think or do. They should be provided with the information, don't you agree?

And there what is?

From reading you previous posts now, you are extraordinarily prejudiced to have interpreted my post the way you did.

My position is that there should not be an exemption from animal welfare laws for any religion.

My position is also that no person should be subject to racism. Pretending Jews do not suffer prejudice or racism, but that Muslims do, against all evidence that they suffer more hate crimes, is racism. Its racism against Jews. Objecting to me pointing this out, is also a manifestation of racism against Jews.

Its pretty obvious to anyone who wants to think about it calmly, rather than through a prejudice based through a ' you like Jews more than Muslims lens' that people who object to something, will object to something they have noticed. The animal welfare law exemption to halal meat was given for religious reasons but halal meat is now served outside of religious communities and in mainstream establishments, which means that people have noticed it. And may find themselves eating meat they did not know is halal. If Jews had the population of Muslims and Muslims had the population of Jews, so that the situation was reversed, there is everyone reason to think the objections would be to kosher.

It matters to me because I am not a Muslim so I don’t see why I should be eating meat as a default slaughtered to religious standards. I would expect to eat halal as a default if I visited a Muslim country, not in the Uk. I am sure you think that makes me a racist, but why should non Muslims not have this choice?

I call bullshit on this. But would be interested to hear your view on immigration.

Like barn eggs & battery chickens, you mean? Or are they okay?

And in the same breath as halal & kosher, do you mention other things at all? Animal welfare across the board & do you mainly single out halal & kosher? Because there’s your answer to why you’re perhaps labelled racist then?

They are provided with information. And I am perfectly entitled to voice my opinion thank you

Actually I mostly eat veggie for precisely the reason it’s difficult to source the meat I would like to eat, but occasionally I go out for dinner and I expect to then be informed if it’s halal.
I don’t see what is Islamophobia about not wanting to eat halal. I am not stopping Muslims from eating halal 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes, why should anyone be bothered that an animal is tortured to death 🙄

This thread is weird.
It's not "phobic" to not want to change your ways only to appease someone else's religion.

Yes, some businesses are trying to make their life simpler, that's the nature of business.
Why can't it be a normal mark - the same as places mark vegan dish or allergens?

Keeping it hidden suggests that there is something wrong with it.

Because you have to really try to find kosher meat. My family is actually Jewish. I don’t want to eat kosher either (we don’t). Halal meat is everywhere. Every New Zealand lamb is slaughtered in a halal way.
I eat very little meat now because of this- choosing high welfare/organic. I think the lack of information/choice is appalling, as is the accusation of ‘racism’ just because people want to know what they’re eating and they want the choice.

12 minutes for a conscious cow to bleed out with his head in a drain. You actually think this is acceptable?

Probably because there is a massively higher demand for halal meat, enough to make a noticeable difference in the marketplace.

There are only about 270,000 Jews in the UK but there are about 4,000,000 Muslims.

You don’t walk down the street so often and see a kosher restaurant but you often see a halal chicken takeaway. Therefore the problem with inhumane slaughter has become more noticeable with the rise of halal food and also the assumption the at non-halal meat-eaters do not mind eating halal meat. Many do.