To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

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Well it’s not really a debate, is it? You either don’t care, or you’re absolutely seething because your meat may or may not be halal. But irrespectively of what you think about this, AIBU to think that people ‘outing’ businesses on social media about what meat they use and encouraging hundreds of people to smear them not just in posts but reviews to tank their ratings is just crazy?

Hundreds of people commenting ‘I’ve just left them a bad review on google’ because a (British owned baked potato) business extended their trading hours to their Muslim customers? People who have never bought anything from them in their life, probably geographically will never go there. Actively trying to sabotage a business because you think you’re what - some sort of activist?

And don’t get me started on the posts where people reach out to these poor customer service reps in supermarkets to ask them if the meat they sell is halal because of this mad narrative that ‘80% of supermarket meat is halal’ - where has this nonsense come from?!?! 😂 People screenshotting and commenting about how ‘Clare from Lidl’ is avoiding the question when she probably doesn’t have a scooby and the answer probably isn’t a straight yes or no either!

Madness. Utter madness. People treating this like it’s a full time job.

Please explain what the "smear campaign against halal meat" is. I mean, we all know what halal meat/slaughter is. How can it be "smeared" in any way. @twentyeightfishinthepond

No. People are aware what i
mean. I’m sick of people like you, too, popping up all over the place and demanding further explanation as a means of rehearsing further debate.

PETA have and it can be seen on-line, just google "Kosher Slaughter".
You will have to prove your age to view it BTW.

@twentyeightfishinthepond Are you okay? Was that answer to me?

Yes and I said earlier you can include kosher in this discussion too.
(I am Jewish and I don’t want to eat kosher nor halal meat).

Thank you for this. I hope more people read it. And those who want to suggest we are racist because we find it appalling, think again.

Non-stunned isn’t cheaper. Go into any supermarket and compare the prices of the supermarket non-halal meat with the halal meat.

Halal is always more expensive.

She is talking about the fact that SpudBros are being given 1 star reviews on Google by malicious people angry that SpudBros is opening until later each night to cater to Muslims fasting during Ramadan and also serving halal food because SpudBros said their takings suffer due to Ramadam because Muslims are fasting and don’t buy lunch.

The people giving 1star reviews are absolute vermin.

Yes it’s funny how the priority isn’t stopping the maceration of live male chicks. Literally ground to death alive.

Instead of doing a copy and paste or a Chat GPT, maybe apologise for your lie that halal abattoirs call for the killing of people.

Yes, but as long as it isn't Muslims grinding them to death, that seems to be acceptable.

It’s not vegan or compulsory halal. People can choose what they consume. Even some posters who talk about animal welfare consume dairy.

There are campaigns against this as well.

Yes, by Animal Rights charities.

Not racists who leave 1 star reviews for businesses serving halal meat or who stay open for Ramadam hours.

But, many British people want to have the choice to vote with their feet and wallets.

Restaurants, fast food places, butchers and supermarkets shouldn't be attacked or harassed because of non-stun slaughtered meat. If that happens the police and CPS should be involved.

But if customers want to go elsewhere on moral grounds and to not eat non-stun meat, that, we should enable with mandatory labelling.

We should always support greater factual information being given to the public on food production. Why hide the meat slaughter method, unless you know non-stun is shameful and cruel?

Be honest. If an animal that you loved had the choice of being euthanised by:

• bolt to the brain, death near immediate
• throat cut when conscious, and bleeds out
• stunned so unconscious, and then throat is cut and bleeds out

How would you rank these in order of preference from best to worst?

Do you really think that your God (or Gods) wants innocent animals to suffer unnecessarily when dying? Why? It makes zero sense.

Plus there is the very important principle of one law for all in the UK. No special pleading for religious exemptions should be permitted. Any remaining should be scrapped as archaic aberrations.

Of course the charities do this, thankfully, and there are also consumers who put their weight behind the campaigning and try to make ethical choices when they buy.

The people leaving 1 star reviews for Spud Bros because they cater for Muslims breaking their fast are undoubtedly racists looking to stir up hatred, and that is quite reprehensible.

In addition to that, some people avoid Halal and Kosher meat as part of a wider attempt to eat more ethically. Those people are not racist and shouldn't be lumped into the same category.

In addition to that, some people avoid Halal and Kosher meat as part of a wider attempt to eat more ethically. Those people are not racist and shouldn't be lumped into the same category.

No one is talking about them, if you read the OP title, it's about 'the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate'.

You're setting up a straw man for your own amusement.

No one is talking about them,

Actually, if you read the full thread, some people have been lumping them together, assuming that anyone who objects to eating Halal must be an Islamophobe. Nuance has often been in short supply - as I saw when I posted earlier in the thread.

Can you point to an example?

@KitWyn was this for another post?

I agree most people can distinguish between methods and choose accordingly.

The more clarity the better so consumers can decide.

Many apologies. I misread your post as opposing labelling.

Definitely, labelling on slaughter methods is needed. The switch to producing/buying of free range eggs has been a huge success in the UK. This would have been impossible without clear mandatory labels on all egg boxes.

About 75% of UK eggs are now free range. Up from just 32% in 2004.
https://www.egginfo.co.uk/egg-facts-and-figures/industry-information/data

We should similarly allow people to show their support for more humane animal slaughter methods.

There are lots. I’m not going to list every one, and I’m sure you’re capable of reading back, but as a few examples, look back at the first few pages of the thread and read the posts of MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack (there are other posters too, but she has posted a huge amount of times on this thread).

Lots of posts stating as if fact ideas along the lines of ‘if they were really bothered about animals welfare, they’d be campaigning against other types of cruelty as well’.

The implication is that anyone raising an issue with Halal slaughter methods must be racist. Your own post from today about the maceration of live chicks does the same thing - assumes that nobody who cares about Halal slaughter methods would be caring from a place of concern for welfare, rather than racism. That simply isn’t true. There are people concerned for racism’s reasons, yes. AND there are people who are concerned as part of a wider concern for welfare. Dismissing the idea the second group exist and insisting you know better, to the contrary, isn’t helpful.

@BunfightBetty

This is why I asked for an example, because of your misrepresentation.

You said that @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack assumed that anyone who objects to eating Halal must be an Islamophobe.

But here is what she actually said:

That isn't what people are saying. People can choose to eat, or avoid eating, whatever they like. I don't eat halal meat because I'm vegetarian. That doesn't make me a bigot.
The issue is with people claiming to avoid halal because of animal welfare reasons when they are quite happy to eat other mass produced meat without any concerns about animal welfare. This is clearly disingenuous, and it's therefore reasonable to question people's motivations.

It’s those people who are the hypocrites. And we see through them all.

Thank you @nomas. It's reassuring to see that some posters can actually read.

I don't know why some people are so keen to misrepresent what I've said. Easier to argue against stuff that they've made up, I suppose.

Fortunately no one has to inform you of what they buy.

People can avoid halal when it’s finally labelled, as everyone says they want it to be.