To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

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Well it’s not really a debate, is it? You either don’t care, or you’re absolutely seething because your meat may or may not be halal. But irrespectively of what you think about this, AIBU to think that people ‘outing’ businesses on social media about what meat they use and encouraging hundreds of people to smear them not just in posts but reviews to tank their ratings is just crazy?

Hundreds of people commenting ‘I’ve just left them a bad review on google’ because a (British owned baked potato) business extended their trading hours to their Muslim customers? People who have never bought anything from them in their life, probably geographically will never go there. Actively trying to sabotage a business because you think you’re what - some sort of activist?

And don’t get me started on the posts where people reach out to these poor customer service reps in supermarkets to ask them if the meat they sell is halal because of this mad narrative that ‘80% of supermarket meat is halal’ - where has this nonsense come from?!?! 😂 People screenshotting and commenting about how ‘Clare from Lidl’ is avoiding the question when she probably doesn’t have a scooby and the answer probably isn’t a straight yes or no either!

Madness. Utter madness. People treating this like it’s a full time job.

I get you. I’m a veggie, but my family eat meat, I cook for them. I won’t buy or cook pork or lamb but I will buy and cook free range chicken. I know it seems a bit mad, all these animals are beautiful, sentient creatures who would prefer not to be eaten, but like you, that’s my stance and what I’m (semi) comfortable with.

There are three main stun methods, including electrical, allowable.

But fair enough that you're concerned there is a higher chance of them regaining consciousness (no slaughter method is perfectly carried out all the time.)

The Spudbros thing is terrible.

People who object to a business staying open voluntarily to serve Muslim customers ending their fast have to be the lowest of the low.

The fast breaks at 5.55 om, hardly very late!

That doesn’t provide enough information. Some people will want to buy halal so put that. And those who don’t want to can choose accordingly.

Halal meat (and kosher meat) is exempt from the stunning requirement only - not other welfare laws. And most Halal meat is stunned in any case.

If you are satisfied that our existing animal welfare standards are good enough, then you clearly don't care that much about animal welfare. If you do care about animal welfare, then you will care about much more than what happens to them at the moment of their death.

There is a bit more to that story than you are making out. This is the restaurant owner. I have sensitive imaged as it is offensive.

It's ridiculous to object to a business seeking to cater to the needs of their customers. Isn't that what businesses are supposed to do?!

So surely best to label as halal pre-stunned or halal not stunned?

Best of all worlds?

Yes sounds good.

That is absolute bollocks. Where on earth are you getting your information?! I work for a supermarket. We sell some halal (but no kosher) meat. It is a recoverable stun but the animal has to be unconscious and insensible to pain at the point of death. What that means in practice is that the animal is stunned and then bled within seconds. Which is EXACTLY THE SAME process as all the meat everyone eats. The only difference is that the meat is prayed over - often this is a recording rather than in person.

Rather defensive. No need for obscenities.

If the only difference was a prayer then why do the slaughter houses have to employ Muslims only (could argue discrimination if the prayer is a pre recording anyway), why does a prayer have to be said, why do the stun methods differ etc. It’s not the same or there wouldn’t need to be exceptions for the method.

The OP: this isn't a real issue, i don't care so no-one must care! if people want to complain or find out what they're eating, that is a racist smear campaign of madness

The poll: a rather different story

I would like to see all meat labelled.

The stunning for Halal is not always the same as non-Halal and I find that concerning along with the rise in non-stun slaughter.

https://www.farmersguide.co.uk/business/food-drink/industry-reacts-to-claims-about-halal-meat-in-uk-supermarkets/

After reading this thread I've checked the RSPC website and am really shocked. I thought the vast majority of Halal and Kosher meat was stunned in the UK, and that any non stunned meat would be clearly labelled. It looks like 12% of Halal meat and all Kosher meat is killed without being stunned first. That equates to around 26.7 million chickens, 3.1 million sheep, and 35,000 cattle.

I will now be avoiding Halal and Kosher meat as much as possible until it's a legal requirement for non stunned slaughter to be clearly labelled. Not because I'm racist (as I said in my previous post, I have no issue with prayers being said over my food), but because slaughtering an animal whilst conscious isn't something I'm comfortable with.

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There aren't actually exemptions to the method if it's pre-stunned. Under the regulations, meat is either stunned or not stunned under religious exemption. If stunned (majority of halal meat) it needs to employ one of the methods and meet the same minimum standards of stunning as all other meat.

There are other requirements to be considered halal: that the animal must be capable of regaining consciousness, that it must be slaughtered by a Muslim and that a prayer is recited while slaughter is happening.

This is my take as well. If you care about animals, don't buy their dead bodies that have been slaughtered, rather than blaming a particular religion's methods. All methods are awful because (no shit sherlock) you're literally breeding an animal and subjecting it to awful conditions, in order to have it killed.

If you care, don't do that.

If you cared about an animal, the last place you'd want it to end up is in a slaughterhouse, so stop kidding yourself, face reality and stop eating animals. Or shut up about one method, which in all reality is not vastly different to the ones you apparently think are okay.

I'm a veggie, but most meat eaters would like stunning ta take place before the slaughter(I know that doesn't always work). To leap to that preference being islamaphobic is a big leap. I've also heard myself that most supermarket meat is halal so "all" can buy it.

No. It's 6% of the poulaton. They don't need this much traction.

Yes, and places are all halal without a lot of people realising it, like KFC.

The Muslim community is 10 times bigger than the Jewish community in the UK. So some resteraunts, companies, schools, hospitals etc provide halal as standard with the assumption that non Muslims don't care or it doesn't matter.

I am fine with people choosing not to eat halal meat but “smear campaigns” and social media campaigns against those that sell it is really just Islamophobia pretending to be about animal rights.

As you can bet not a single one of those “concerned citizens” does similar to businesses that sells meat products from animals that were not ethically reared.

They make some weird “religious takeover” about it but for businesses it’s simply money.

This is about islam becoming dominant in the UK.

Of which you should oppose.

I used to work with a guy who used to howl "is it halal" for fucking everything, not even food related. Foot washing facilities, boys not needing to attend Friday lessons at school, children covering their hair.

It has to stop

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No. Only sum are halal

Not always it isn't.

More upmarket restaurants do have dishes that are advertised as free range and I choose them even though often more expensive.

My point is that I always buy free range eggs and meat, where available.

Some*

This is about islam becoming dominant in the UK.

LOL!!! Hatters and March Hares come to mind.

And yes I am sure your work colleague would really ask “is it Halal” about children not covering their hair. I am sure they did.