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To think it’s clear as day now that Brexit was a massive mistake and we need to rejoin the EU asap

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G3ran1um · 08/03/2026 11:19

How can anybody still argue than it was a good idea?

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SevenYellowHammers · 09/03/2026 19:21

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 18:55

Brexit was so racist that immigration from outside the EU massively increased and we treated everyone fairly and equally. No special preference for being a European everyone was treated fairly.

The GFA is still there. Travel is easy. You buy a ticket, have a passport and fly over. We've never had an issue at the border. DS did EES a while back and found it super smooth and easy. The border guard was super easy.

People still study abroad, what drug shortages are you on about? Musicians need to have their paperwork and work permits in order (as does everyone)

There are benefits, we are removed from a protectionist trading bloc, can make our own deals and are no longer beholden to Brussels and EU laws and EU regulation. Our AI industry is better off not being hampered by EU regulation.

ADHD and HRT meds have been in shortage since Brexit. It’s a much more racist country as evidenced by roundabout flags and Reform. C4 news has just this minute said our economy will suffer more than EU countries as a result of fucking Trump’s illegal war. I have experienced greater queues for UK citizens at Barcelona, Faro and Malaga airports. I’m embarrassed of my blue passport. We were part of Europe and now we’re sad little Islanders . We shouldn’t be trading with countries further away from Europe as it’s worse for the environment. EU citizens can live and work in other EU countries and we can’t. It costs more to get work permits for musicians and other workers. It cost a stupid amount of time and money to unpick UK from EU. Wasted loads of parliamentary time. No thought was given to Northern Ireland or Gibraltar. It’s a load of ballocks.

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:26

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 19:06

I disagree . The agreement was made and Ireland has benefited massively from workers from other EU nations . Your statement contradicts itself . Do you think there should just be open borders altogether then or do you just think no one should be allowed in from another country to work.

No total open borders. But no one has an inhrent right to move anywhere. If people apply to move, everyone gets treated equally. The Frenchman gets treated the same as the American, the Australian, the Indian and the Singaporean.

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 19:37

SevenYellowHammers
[Brexit] caused drug shortages

Some people claim this but where is the evidence that the UK is an outlier? Drug shortages are Europe-wide. Also, is the NHS willing to pay the going rate?

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 19:41

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:26

No total open borders. But no one has an inhrent right to move anywhere. If people apply to move, everyone gets treated equally. The Frenchman gets treated the same as the American, the Australian, the Indian and the Singaporean.

I disagree . An agreement was made between EU nations and that is that. So because of that agreement we do have the right. You could argue that people who are from Ireland itself shouldn’t have an inherent right to work in Ireland based on the logic. It is one of the benefits of being in the EU.

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:52

SevenYellowHammers · 09/03/2026 19:21

ADHD and HRT meds have been in shortage since Brexit. It’s a much more racist country as evidenced by roundabout flags and Reform. C4 news has just this minute said our economy will suffer more than EU countries as a result of fucking Trump’s illegal war. I have experienced greater queues for UK citizens at Barcelona, Faro and Malaga airports. I’m embarrassed of my blue passport. We were part of Europe and now we’re sad little Islanders . We shouldn’t be trading with countries further away from Europe as it’s worse for the environment. EU citizens can live and work in other EU countries and we can’t. It costs more to get work permits for musicians and other workers. It cost a stupid amount of time and money to unpick UK from EU. Wasted loads of parliamentary time. No thought was given to Northern Ireland or Gibraltar. It’s a load of ballocks.

The shortages are due to rising global demand, issues with manufacturing and supply chain manufacturing. Don't blame everything on Brexit.

Don't believe everything you hear on the news. We've never experienced longer queues. Experienced Madrid recently and was super smooth and got a nice stamp after as well. And so what, it's a queue.

We can trade with the EU and also with countries further away as well. I'm not too fussed about the "environmental effects", trades still gotta happen. I have no intention of moving to the EU, a failing declining political block with high taxes and low growth. If I were to move I'd rather move to HK, SG or the gulf (no income tax). Actual countries built on growth and letting you keep what you earn.

I don't care about work permit costs. Foreign citizens need them if they want to work here. They all do.

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:55

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 19:41

I disagree . An agreement was made between EU nations and that is that. So because of that agreement we do have the right. You could argue that people who are from Ireland itself shouldn’t have an inherent right to work in Ireland based on the logic. It is one of the benefits of being in the EU.

And the UK broke the agreement and said that if foreign citizens are applying to work here everyone is treated equally.

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:59

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 19:41

I disagree . An agreement was made between EU nations and that is that. So because of that agreement we do have the right. You could argue that people who are from Ireland itself shouldn’t have an inherent right to work in Ireland based on the logic. It is one of the benefits of being in the EU.

What gives you an Irish person more right to move and work freely in Spain compared to an Australian, an American, a Brit, an Indian, a Canadian or a kiwi?

QuiteUnbelievable · 09/03/2026 20:00

@Defineyourterms809 I don't know why we need a lecture on sovereignty when that's been put exact status for our entire history expect for about 20 ISH years when the trading bloc that we voted to be part of ...morphed into a social and political alliance that we had not

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 20:03

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:59

What gives you an Irish person more right to move and work freely in Spain compared to an Australian, an American, a Brit, an Indian, a Canadian or a kiwi?

Because we live in the EU

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 20:08

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:55

And the UK broke the agreement and said that if foreign citizens are applying to work here everyone is treated equally.

Yes and thats the UK’s choice and that’s fine for you. But we have made an agreement with other EU countries that we can work in their country and vice versa. Every country has its own immigration and visa laws. That’s just the way the world is without open borders.

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 20:16

Defineyourterms809 · 09/03/2026 14:56

Because look in any history book and you realise they do anyway whether you like it if not. Also because the world order is changing, we live in a global economy and the tech elites are supplanting democracy?

Take UK manufacturing. In order to export goods in to the EU, UK manufacturers are now forced to make products that comply with EU legislation without having any say or veto over how that legislation is developed. It’s the very worst of both worlds.

Do you honestly think that global issues such as pollution and migration and tech and emerging markets dominated by China, India Brazil etc can be regulated and solved by one tiny country alone putting up imaginary barriers?

Atm, the EU group of nations combined is about the only body powerful enough to successfully challenge and impose fines on X and other US tech companies, restricting their access to European markets and tightening the enforcement of digital regulation.

By moving away from a block of centrist-left-leaning allies and rejecting their largely Christian democrat values; we have automatically aligned ourselves more towards the right and the USA! And look how that is turning out?

Total sovereignty is the mechanism which allows individual powerful states such as the USA to threaten, influence, or violate, the sovereignty of weaker nations. A rather pertinent point atm!

Everyone talks about sovereignty without mentioning the significant down sides:

In addition to individual nations struggling to resolve global issues, they can become vulnerable and unstable economically when they struggle to protect their economies from external financial shocks, eg pandemics or wars, plus the need to attract foreign investment can lead to a "race to the bottom" mentality in terms of labour and environmental legislation but hey crack on if you don’t care about the basic welfare of factory workers and the health and biodiversity of our rivers!

Also remember that sovereign states bear the full responsibility for their actions, which can be a heavy burden. It requires managing all internal affairs, from the economy to security, without relying on external aid. Let’s hope our governments and MPs are up to the job! And in times of conflict, we end up having to form alliances anyway. Far better to do so, and make these important decisions imho, at a time which is peaceful, rational and calm.

Also, with the existence of an agreed, external consensual governing body of law which applies agreed general principles relating to basic agreed standards on human rights and civility, individual nation states have a built in check and balance against individual governments committing human rights abuses against their own citizens. One to keep in mind imho if Reform win an election! 😬. Do you really trust Farage to do what is right for the nation above what’s right for himself and his cronies? We know like Trump, that his relationship with the truth is very strained.

You notice I used the word “agreed” there several times? That’s because this notion that, when we were an EU Member State, we had laws from the EU imposed on us and our government from high above is, and always was, utter nonsense!

In many cases the UK was the nation that introduced and wrote and developed the legislation that all then 28 (now 27) members sat around and discussed and fleshed out and agreed upon. We were always a leading light in that process and now we have left, we still need to comply with much of that legislation anyway (indeed post-Brexit we adopted huge chunks of it wholesale) but we now have absolutely zero say on the formation of new legislation in the future that will affect us just as much!

According to the House of Commons library,

”As of early 2026, roughly
36% of retained EU laws (now known as assimilated law) have been amended, repealed, or replaced by the UK government, with 64% remaining unchanged. While the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023 revoked nearly 600 laws, the majority of the original 6,900+ retained laws are still in place.”

Please explain to me some of the benefits of sovereignty that over-ride the above?

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You notice I used the word “agreed” there several times? That’s because this notion that, when we were an EU Member State, we had laws from the EU imposed on us and our government from high above is, and always was, utter nonsense!
In many cases the UK was the nation that introduced and wrote and developed the legislation that all then 28 (now 27) members sat around and discussed and fleshed out and agreed upon.

I remember when the bankers' bonus cap was imposed on us in 2013 - it was seen as a turning-point in the UK's influence;

George Osborne is defeated 26 to 1 on EU bonus caps.

Britain has been defeated after being outnumbered 26 to one over controversial European Union proposals to impose caps on bonuses paid to bankers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9909798/George-Osborne-is-defeated-26-to-1-on-EU-bonus-caps.html

Also, I see that Macron has lost influence;

2 March 2026
Ursula von der Leyen's decision to provisionally implement the EU-Mercosur trade deal has unleashed a wave of outrage in Paris.

Von der Leyen announced Friday that the EU would provisionally implement its trade deal with the South American Mercosur bloc, even after the European Parliament voted last month to send the accord for review by the Court of Justice of the European Union...

Two French officials confirmed to POLITICO that the government in Paris was not informed in advance of von der Leyen's decision to force through a deal that France has been fighting against for years, amid an overwhelming backlash from the country's political parties, influential farmers and public opinion.

Diplomats and officials from other EU members, who were granted anonymity to speak candidly on a sensitive issue, were quick to draw the conclusion that France's influence in Brussels is fading and that the European Commission chief now thinks she can deliberately ignore the opposition of a French president who will leave power next year.

Ireland is also opposed to the trade deal;

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-mercosur-ursula-von-der-leyen-france/

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:17

3luckystars · 08/03/2026 14:13

Not true. This is solving nothing.

People voted in the dark, they were given hope and it didn’t work.

No regrets.

Just get back in and move on.

I think the thing that will always irritate me is that people who voted for Brexit voted for a leap into the dark, and they knew it was a leap in the dark. They had absolutely no idea what sort of relationship we’d end up having with the EU. They were sold (and many of them bought) a lot of fantastical nonsense about deals the EU was never going to agree to.

So when Brexiteers witter on about democracy, it’s a total nonsense. 48% of voters voted for something very clear - remaining part of the EU on the terms we had at the time. 52% of voters voted to leave but they were completely split and entirely unclear on what ‘leaving’ might mean. Some of those people thought we’d be like Switzerland. Some of those people thought we’d be like Norway. Some of them thought everything would be exactly the same except we could shut the borders. Some of those people wanted closer ties to countries outside the EU. Some of those people didn’t know what the EU was.

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:21

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 11:07

Read upthread by friend's business massively thrived thanks to Brexit. We don't need to deal with pesky EU regulation and red tape anymore. Maybe SMEs can learn to deal and better manage the paperwork then, we can also have a deal to now have this friction and not be in that political union.

Didn’t you say his business is AI?

Why do you think the EU might be keen to regulate that?

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 20:24

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:17

I think the thing that will always irritate me is that people who voted for Brexit voted for a leap into the dark, and they knew it was a leap in the dark. They had absolutely no idea what sort of relationship we’d end up having with the EU. They were sold (and many of them bought) a lot of fantastical nonsense about deals the EU was never going to agree to.

So when Brexiteers witter on about democracy, it’s a total nonsense. 48% of voters voted for something very clear - remaining part of the EU on the terms we had at the time. 52% of voters voted to leave but they were completely split and entirely unclear on what ‘leaving’ might mean. Some of those people thought we’d be like Switzerland. Some of those people thought we’d be like Norway. Some of them thought everything would be exactly the same except we could shut the borders. Some of those people wanted closer ties to countries outside the EU. Some of those people didn’t know what the EU was.

52% of voters voted to leave but they were completely split and entirely unclear on what ‘leaving’ might mean Some of those people thought we’d be like Switzerland. Some of those people thought we’d be like Norway

How do you know what they thought?

Some of those people didn’t know what the EU was

Don't be ridiculous.

SevenYellowHammers · 09/03/2026 20:27

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 19:52

The shortages are due to rising global demand, issues with manufacturing and supply chain manufacturing. Don't blame everything on Brexit.

Don't believe everything you hear on the news. We've never experienced longer queues. Experienced Madrid recently and was super smooth and got a nice stamp after as well. And so what, it's a queue.

We can trade with the EU and also with countries further away as well. I'm not too fussed about the "environmental effects", trades still gotta happen. I have no intention of moving to the EU, a failing declining political block with high taxes and low growth. If I were to move I'd rather move to HK, SG or the gulf (no income tax). Actual countries built on growth and letting you keep what you earn.

I don't care about work permit costs. Foreign citizens need them if they want to work here. They all do.

I didn’t see it on the news . I experienced it. I like paying income tax. Shame on you for avoiding it .

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 20:27

Midnights68
48% of voters voted for something very clear - remaining part of the EU on the terms we had at the time

The EU is constantly evolving.

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:27

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 20:24

52% of voters voted to leave but they were completely split and entirely unclear on what ‘leaving’ might mean Some of those people thought we’d be like Switzerland. Some of those people thought we’d be like Norway

How do you know what they thought?

Some of those people didn’t know what the EU was

Don't be ridiculous.

Ridiculous, you say?

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-eu-is-top-google-search-in-uk-after-brexit-2016-6

UK voters are Googling 'What is the EU?' — right after voting to leave the EU

Seems like some UK voters might have a case of buyer's remorse regarding Brexit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-eu-is-top-google-search-in-uk-after-brexit-2016-6

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 20:35

Ridiculous, you say?

Ridiculous to claim that people voting in the referendum did not know what the EU was. How many millions of people didn't vote, couldn't vote because they were foreign nationals, tourists, aged 13 -17 with internet access etc. etc.

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:35

And I know what they thought because:

a) it’s entirely obvious - absolutely no one knew what deal we might end up with, so it’s logically obvious that Brexit voters must have had different ideas about what it might look like; and
b) I read and listened to a lot of the discourse and discussion at the time and afterwards. There were several different ‘models’ suggested as possible relationships the UK could have with the EU. Some people (Farage) suggested things would be exactly the same, but with closed borders - because the EU would still want to sell us cars. Obviously, it was all utter nonsense.

And I’ve never forgotten that video of the man leaving the polling station saying he’d voted leave because he didn’t want Africans coming over.

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:45

And, of course, there’s a certain kind of Brexiteer who loves to disavow Brexit by saying it WOULD have been a big success if we hadn’t got a shit deal, and instead had got their fantasy non-existent deal, which usually seems to boil down to closed borders for other people and freedom of everything for them.

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 21:02

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 20:35

And I know what they thought because:

a) it’s entirely obvious - absolutely no one knew what deal we might end up with, so it’s logically obvious that Brexit voters must have had different ideas about what it might look like; and
b) I read and listened to a lot of the discourse and discussion at the time and afterwards. There were several different ‘models’ suggested as possible relationships the UK could have with the EU. Some people (Farage) suggested things would be exactly the same, but with closed borders - because the EU would still want to sell us cars. Obviously, it was all utter nonsense.

And I’ve never forgotten that video of the man leaving the polling station saying he’d voted leave because he didn’t want Africans coming over.

I read and listened to a lot of the discourse and discussion at the time and afterwards. There were several different ‘models’ suggested as possible relationships the UK could have with the EU

David Cameron confirmed that he would pull the UK out of the single market in the event of a leave vote, so did Michael Gove and Boris Johnson. Farage, who was not in government anyway, also confirmed as early as November 2015 that he wanted to leave the single market.

And I’ve never forgotten that video of the man leaving the polling station saying he’d voted leave because he didn’t want Africans coming over.

Not totally mad - an article in 2022 reported that 245,000 people born in Africa applied to the EU Settlement Scheme. EU freedom of movement was a major driver of immigration to the UK of people born outside of the EU.

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 21:13

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 21:02

I read and listened to a lot of the discourse and discussion at the time and afterwards. There were several different ‘models’ suggested as possible relationships the UK could have with the EU

David Cameron confirmed that he would pull the UK out of the single market in the event of a leave vote, so did Michael Gove and Boris Johnson. Farage, who was not in government anyway, also confirmed as early as November 2015 that he wanted to leave the single market.

And I’ve never forgotten that video of the man leaving the polling station saying he’d voted leave because he didn’t want Africans coming over.

Not totally mad - an article in 2022 reported that 245,000 people born in Africa applied to the EU Settlement Scheme. EU freedom of movement was a major driver of immigration to the UK of people born outside of the EU.

Cameron - who was a remainer - didn’t say he would ‘pull the U.K. out’ of the single market. He was a staunch advocate of remaining in the single market but warned that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market - in other words, he was countering the bullshit idea spread by factions of the Leave campaign that we could somehow leave but also stay in.

Johnson I believe shifted his position (how unlike him)! Before the referendum, I remember he said he was in favour of the single market. He argued that we could maintain access to it whilst leaving the EU. Then he shifted his position after the referendum and delivered what he delivered (partly because of political forces, because that’s what was on the table).

Gove was, as you say, a hard Brexiteer throughout.

And just running through those three I think proves my point - there was a wide range of views on what should happen and what was possible.

Lochroy · 09/03/2026 21:19

YANBU, but there’s absolutely no way it can happen “asap” and won’t happen. The UK had so many exemptions and specifics whereas now we’d have to join a queue and comply entirely, it won’t happen.

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 21:24

Midnights68 · 09/03/2026 21:13

Cameron - who was a remainer - didn’t say he would ‘pull the U.K. out’ of the single market. He was a staunch advocate of remaining in the single market but warned that leaving the EU would mean leaving the single market - in other words, he was countering the bullshit idea spread by factions of the Leave campaign that we could somehow leave but also stay in.

Johnson I believe shifted his position (how unlike him)! Before the referendum, I remember he said he was in favour of the single market. He argued that we could maintain access to it whilst leaving the EU. Then he shifted his position after the referendum and delivered what he delivered (partly because of political forces, because that’s what was on the table).

Gove was, as you say, a hard Brexiteer throughout.

And just running through those three I think proves my point - there was a wide range of views on what should happen and what was possible.

Cameron - who was a remainer - didn’t say he would ‘pull the U.K. out’ of the single market

June 12, 2016
David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

Hansard - House of Commons Wednesday 15 June 2016
[David Cameron] The Prime Minister

I am very happy to agree with my hon. Friend. “In” means we remain in a reformed EU; “out” means we come out. As the leave campaigners and others have said, “out” means out of the EU, out of the European single market, out of the Council of Ministers - out of all those things -

Johnson I believe shifted his position (how unlike him)!

Johnson gave a speech in early May 2016 confirming he backed leaving the single market.

‘I’ll pull UK out of the single market after Brexit’

Leaving the EU would be like planting ‘a bomb’ under the British economy, the prime minister warns.

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

SabrinaThwaite · 09/03/2026 22:17

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 19:16

I think it’s amazing that EU citizens can work and live in any EU country

Presumably not so easy to work in any EU country due to language barriers though. All the young Irish people I know (family friends in their early to mid twenties, born in Ireland) have moved to London or on working holidays in Sydney, Melbourne, Toronto and Chicago. None have chosen an EU country.

Depends where you’re working. I know quite a few British EU passport holders working in Scandinavia in industries where English is the common language.

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