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To think it’s clear as day now that Brexit was a massive mistake and we need to rejoin the EU asap

221 replies

G3ran1um · 08/03/2026 11:19

How can anybody still argue than it was a good idea?

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WheretheFishesareFrightening · 09/03/2026 12:18

JHound · 09/03/2026 11:07

Why do you think being a 51st US state would provide more autonomy than being an EU member state?

The US legislature preserves the ability for states to set their own laws on a lot of matters (eg sales taxes) whereas once the EU has competence their legislation takes priority.

Examples including licensing rules, regulatory standards, criminalise certain conducts, set sales tax, create tax incentives to drive behaviours, provide “state aid” that can distort markets by states.

The differences between legislation in California and Texas are much broader than say, Sweden and Italy.

G3ran1um · 09/03/2026 12:40

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 09/03/2026 12:18

The US legislature preserves the ability for states to set their own laws on a lot of matters (eg sales taxes) whereas once the EU has competence their legislation takes priority.

Examples including licensing rules, regulatory standards, criminalise certain conducts, set sales tax, create tax incentives to drive behaviours, provide “state aid” that can distort markets by states.

The differences between legislation in California and Texas are much broader than say, Sweden and Italy.

But we’re all now seeing how weak all US legislature is. Trump is choosing to do what he likes.

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OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 12:53

SoSadSoSadSoSad · 09/03/2026 12:17

Oh god. Sovereignty. That bollocks again.

Not bollocks at all. Why should other people outside the UK have any say on how things in the UK are run?

WheretheFishesareFrightening · 09/03/2026 13:49

G3ran1um · 09/03/2026 12:40

But we’re all now seeing how weak all US legislature is. Trump is choosing to do what he likes.

Like what?

Defineyourterms809 · 09/03/2026 14:56

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 12:53

Not bollocks at all. Why should other people outside the UK have any say on how things in the UK are run?

Because look in any history book and you realise they do anyway whether you like it if not. Also because the world order is changing, we live in a global economy and the tech elites are supplanting democracy?

Take UK manufacturing. In order to export goods in to the EU, UK manufacturers are now forced to make products that comply with EU legislation without having any say or veto over how that legislation is developed. It’s the very worst of both worlds.

Do you honestly think that global issues such as pollution and migration and tech and emerging markets dominated by China, India Brazil etc can be regulated and solved by one tiny country alone putting up imaginary barriers?

Atm, the EU group of nations combined is about the only body powerful enough to successfully challenge and impose fines on X and other US tech companies, restricting their access to European markets and tightening the enforcement of digital regulation.

By moving away from a block of centrist-left-leaning allies and rejecting their largely Christian democrat values; we have automatically aligned ourselves more towards the right and the USA! And look how that is turning out?

Total sovereignty is the mechanism which allows individual powerful states such as the USA to threaten, influence, or violate, the sovereignty of weaker nations. A rather pertinent point atm!

Everyone talks about sovereignty without mentioning the significant down sides:

In addition to individual nations struggling to resolve global issues, they can become vulnerable and unstable economically when they struggle to protect their economies from external financial shocks, eg pandemics or wars, plus the need to attract foreign investment can lead to a "race to the bottom" mentality in terms of labour and environmental legislation but hey crack on if you don’t care about the basic welfare of factory workers and the health and biodiversity of our rivers!

Also remember that sovereign states bear the full responsibility for their actions, which can be a heavy burden. It requires managing all internal affairs, from the economy to security, without relying on external aid. Let’s hope our governments and MPs are up to the job! And in times of conflict, we end up having to form alliances anyway. Far better to do so, and make these important decisions imho, at a time which is peaceful, rational and calm.

Also, with the existence of an agreed, external consensual governing body of law which applies agreed general principles relating to basic agreed standards on human rights and civility, individual nation states have a built in check and balance against individual governments committing human rights abuses against their own citizens. One to keep in mind imho if Reform win an election! 😬. Do you really trust Farage to do what is right for the nation above what’s right for himself and his cronies? We know like Trump, that his relationship with the truth is very strained.

You notice I used the word “agreed” there several times? That’s because this notion that, when we were an EU Member State, we had laws from the EU imposed on us and our government from high above is, and always was, utter nonsense!

In many cases the UK was the nation that introduced and wrote and developed the legislation that all then 28 (now 27) members sat around and discussed and fleshed out and agreed upon. We were always a leading light in that process and now we have left, we still need to comply with much of that legislation anyway (indeed post-Brexit we adopted huge chunks of it wholesale) but we now have absolutely zero say on the formation of new legislation in the future that will affect us just as much!

According to the House of Commons library,

”As of early 2026, roughly
36% of retained EU laws (now known as assimilated law) have been amended, repealed, or replaced by the UK government, with 64% remaining unchanged. While the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023 revoked nearly 600 laws, the majority of the original 6,900+ retained laws are still in place.”

Please explain to me some of the benefits of sovereignty that over-ride the above?

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2026 15:43

mrbluebirdonmyshoulder · 08/03/2026 12:34

I agree - and I voted to leave.

We were lied to.

Well, only by one side.

PiMCA · 09/03/2026 16:31

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 08/03/2026 12:42

Dh is still confident it was the right thing to do. I’m a remainer still! We do fall out whenever I make your point OP. He’s better at economics and arguing than me!
He would say, and in this he’s probably correct, that the EU over reached its original purpose that we’d agreed to. There are issues I am not aligned with the EU over. Maybe it wasn’t possible to hold to idealistic goals that were a bit too challenging to meet.

Your husband is ridiculous. The EU did what its members asked and voted for! We were usually the instigators of the changes! That's like saying the British parliament has over reached its original purpose by giving the vote to ordinary citizens and any number of other rights we all now enjoy!

TempestTost · 09/03/2026 16:42

It would be crazy to become tied to the Euro.

In any case, the EU is going to go one of two ways. It may become much more like a state of it's own with greater powers to legislate, or it will begin to dissolve as the populations of member states rebel until it becomes untenable. Right now I'd put my money on the latter, but either way the UK is better off out of it.

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 17:02

Defineyourterms809 · 09/03/2026 14:56

Because look in any history book and you realise they do anyway whether you like it if not. Also because the world order is changing, we live in a global economy and the tech elites are supplanting democracy?

Take UK manufacturing. In order to export goods in to the EU, UK manufacturers are now forced to make products that comply with EU legislation without having any say or veto over how that legislation is developed. It’s the very worst of both worlds.

Do you honestly think that global issues such as pollution and migration and tech and emerging markets dominated by China, India Brazil etc can be regulated and solved by one tiny country alone putting up imaginary barriers?

Atm, the EU group of nations combined is about the only body powerful enough to successfully challenge and impose fines on X and other US tech companies, restricting their access to European markets and tightening the enforcement of digital regulation.

By moving away from a block of centrist-left-leaning allies and rejecting their largely Christian democrat values; we have automatically aligned ourselves more towards the right and the USA! And look how that is turning out?

Total sovereignty is the mechanism which allows individual powerful states such as the USA to threaten, influence, or violate, the sovereignty of weaker nations. A rather pertinent point atm!

Everyone talks about sovereignty without mentioning the significant down sides:

In addition to individual nations struggling to resolve global issues, they can become vulnerable and unstable economically when they struggle to protect their economies from external financial shocks, eg pandemics or wars, plus the need to attract foreign investment can lead to a "race to the bottom" mentality in terms of labour and environmental legislation but hey crack on if you don’t care about the basic welfare of factory workers and the health and biodiversity of our rivers!

Also remember that sovereign states bear the full responsibility for their actions, which can be a heavy burden. It requires managing all internal affairs, from the economy to security, without relying on external aid. Let’s hope our governments and MPs are up to the job! And in times of conflict, we end up having to form alliances anyway. Far better to do so, and make these important decisions imho, at a time which is peaceful, rational and calm.

Also, with the existence of an agreed, external consensual governing body of law which applies agreed general principles relating to basic agreed standards on human rights and civility, individual nation states have a built in check and balance against individual governments committing human rights abuses against their own citizens. One to keep in mind imho if Reform win an election! 😬. Do you really trust Farage to do what is right for the nation above what’s right for himself and his cronies? We know like Trump, that his relationship with the truth is very strained.

You notice I used the word “agreed” there several times? That’s because this notion that, when we were an EU Member State, we had laws from the EU imposed on us and our government from high above is, and always was, utter nonsense!

In many cases the UK was the nation that introduced and wrote and developed the legislation that all then 28 (now 27) members sat around and discussed and fleshed out and agreed upon. We were always a leading light in that process and now we have left, we still need to comply with much of that legislation anyway (indeed post-Brexit we adopted huge chunks of it wholesale) but we now have absolutely zero say on the formation of new legislation in the future that will affect us just as much!

According to the House of Commons library,

”As of early 2026, roughly
36% of retained EU laws (now known as assimilated law) have been amended, repealed, or replaced by the UK government, with 64% remaining unchanged. While the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Act 2023 revoked nearly 600 laws, the majority of the original 6,900+ retained laws are still in place.”

Please explain to me some of the benefits of sovereignty that over-ride the above?

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UK manufacturing is dying anyway, we are more services economy. They would have always had to follow EU regs to sell to them but now they have opportunities elsewhere.

We can collaborate on global issues without joining a political union. EU tech regs are too strict and hurt the tech industry and the startup culture. My friend's AI company thrived being in the UK and not having to deal with EU regs.

I have no issues with having the USA as a trade partner. Powerful nations like the USA don't listen to what others have to say, that's good on them. They decide what they do. You can have allies without joining a political union.

I'm not talking about isolationism, just no need to join this political union that they have. We can work together as allies externally.

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2026 17:12

We can collaborate on global issues without joining a political union.

Collaborate ? Or just follow the crowd ?

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 17:25

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2026 17:12

We can collaborate on global issues without joining a political union.

Collaborate ? Or just follow the crowd ?

You can make independent bilateral or multilateral deals.

You can have something like the GCC (not a political union, but allies working together and cooperating without giving up sovereignty)

SoSadSoSadSoSad · 09/03/2026 17:26

TempestTost · 09/03/2026 16:42

It would be crazy to become tied to the Euro.

In any case, the EU is going to go one of two ways. It may become much more like a state of it's own with greater powers to legislate, or it will begin to dissolve as the populations of member states rebel until it becomes untenable. Right now I'd put my money on the latter, but either way the UK is better off out of it.

People have been saying the EU is going to dissolve for years. Mostly saying to go for their own narrative.

Yet support for the EU and membership has never been higher amongst its member states.

Europe will be solid, steadfast and united.

I would not vote to let the UK back in. They’ll only try and cock it up again. Let the UK become the USA’s poodle forever.

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2026 17:36

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 17:25

You can make independent bilateral or multilateral deals.

You can have something like the GCC (not a political union, but allies working together and cooperating without giving up sovereignty)

You can.

I can do an independent deal with my local shop to pay £2.25 for a packet of digestive biscuits. Meanwhile the rest of the street could do a deal for 100 packers at £2.00.

And when I go to collect my lone packet, they have sold out.

Remember we run the countries finances like a household. That's why there is never any money for nice things,

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 17:41

SerendipityJane · 09/03/2026 17:36

You can.

I can do an independent deal with my local shop to pay £2.25 for a packet of digestive biscuits. Meanwhile the rest of the street could do a deal for 100 packers at £2.00.

And when I go to collect my lone packet, they have sold out.

Remember we run the countries finances like a household. That's why there is never any money for nice things,

I do not see the point of what you said, but okay.

LoveWine123 · 09/03/2026 17:45

mrbluebirdonmyshoulder · 08/03/2026 12:34

I agree - and I voted to leave.

We were lied to.

Out of curiosity, which particular lies did you take as the truth at the time?

PollsCantBeTrusted · 09/03/2026 18:20

Overall, I find it curious that anyone would seriously consider joining the EU. Subjecting yourself to the legal framework of a technocratic organisation in a foreign country, run by people you can’t vote out, putting them in charge of your financial, technology, telecoms sectors, environmental policy and many others besides, would be an odd decision to say the least. Unless, that is, that EU membership has such astounding benefits that it makes it all worthwhile. But we were members for 47 years and we know it doesn’t.

How about comparing the cost of rejoining with the cost of not rejoining?

SevenYellowHammers · 09/03/2026 18:31

I agree with OP . I voted Remain but not wholeheartedly because it’s a capitalist organisation. However, I hate it that we seem to have turned our backs on our European neighbours. Brexit caused a load of hassle, it has empowered racists, endangered the Good Friday agreement, made travel harder, caused drug shortages, made things harder for kids wanting to study abroad, made it expensive for traveling musicians and offered no benefits whatsoever. So yes I’d vote rejoin (if they’d have us). I would like to see an EU joint effort to providing a humane and supportive solution for asylum seekers though.

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 18:37

Clavinova · 08/03/2026 19:59

Ireland doesn't seem so great to me:

According to the Irish Times, 894,369 people were waiting for hospital treatment in the Republic of Ireland in 2025 (population 5.4 million) and the government spent €1.2 billion on asylum accommodation for 2025.

I’m Irish and I’m so glad we are in the EU. I think it’s amazing that EU citizens can work and live in any EU country . I hope we don’t go down the same road as the uk. Unfortunately you are correct and there is no doubt about it, Ireland has a shitty heath system. This is for a variety of reasons but I don’t think it’s anything to do with being in the EU.

QuiteUnbelievable · 09/03/2026 18:45

Op what has sparked this off ?

I can't see anything that would be better in joining again .

If the EU had got together and was a strong joined up force and was economically thriving..maybe ! But I cant see anything positive at all coming out of the EU

QuiteUnbelievable · 09/03/2026 18:49

@SevenYellowHammers and yet it was starmer hosting endless European leaders and talking about defense of Ukraine and taking a lead and coordinating.

How is that turning a back and Spain and France coming to our aid in Cyprus ??

We are and always will be in Europe .
Just not politically.

It's so far removed I think people forget the huge black hole of corruption and money loss. This is why it's bad it's hard enough to keep tabs on our own shifty thieving mps

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 18:55

SevenYellowHammers · 09/03/2026 18:31

I agree with OP . I voted Remain but not wholeheartedly because it’s a capitalist organisation. However, I hate it that we seem to have turned our backs on our European neighbours. Brexit caused a load of hassle, it has empowered racists, endangered the Good Friday agreement, made travel harder, caused drug shortages, made things harder for kids wanting to study abroad, made it expensive for traveling musicians and offered no benefits whatsoever. So yes I’d vote rejoin (if they’d have us). I would like to see an EU joint effort to providing a humane and supportive solution for asylum seekers though.

Brexit was so racist that immigration from outside the EU massively increased and we treated everyone fairly and equally. No special preference for being a European everyone was treated fairly.

The GFA is still there. Travel is easy. You buy a ticket, have a passport and fly over. We've never had an issue at the border. DS did EES a while back and found it super smooth and easy. The border guard was super easy.

People still study abroad, what drug shortages are you on about? Musicians need to have their paperwork and work permits in order (as does everyone)

There are benefits, we are removed from a protectionist trading bloc, can make our own deals and are no longer beholden to Brussels and EU laws and EU regulation. Our AI industry is better off not being hampered by EU regulation.

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 18:58

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 18:37

I’m Irish and I’m so glad we are in the EU. I think it’s amazing that EU citizens can work and live in any EU country . I hope we don’t go down the same road as the uk. Unfortunately you are correct and there is no doubt about it, Ireland has a shitty heath system. This is for a variety of reasons but I don’t think it’s anything to do with being in the EU.

I think a country should be allowed to restrict immigration and not have to blanket accept anyone from anywhere. I think if foreigners want to work and live in a country they should be all be treated equally and no special privilege should be given to a people who have to be born with a "special" passport.

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 19:06

OhSheetaABridge · 09/03/2026 18:58

I think a country should be allowed to restrict immigration and not have to blanket accept anyone from anywhere. I think if foreigners want to work and live in a country they should be all be treated equally and no special privilege should be given to a people who have to be born with a "special" passport.

I disagree . The agreement was made and Ireland has benefited massively from workers from other EU nations . Your statement contradicts itself . Do you think there should just be open borders altogether then or do you just think no one should be allowed in from another country to work.

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 19:16

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 18:37

I’m Irish and I’m so glad we are in the EU. I think it’s amazing that EU citizens can work and live in any EU country . I hope we don’t go down the same road as the uk. Unfortunately you are correct and there is no doubt about it, Ireland has a shitty heath system. This is for a variety of reasons but I don’t think it’s anything to do with being in the EU.

I think it’s amazing that EU citizens can work and live in any EU country

Presumably not so easy to work in any EU country due to language barriers though. All the young Irish people I know (family friends in their early to mid twenties, born in Ireland) have moved to London or on working holidays in Sydney, Melbourne, Toronto and Chicago. None have chosen an EU country.

TheIceBear · 09/03/2026 19:19

Clavinova · 09/03/2026 19:16

I think it’s amazing that EU citizens can work and live in any EU country

Presumably not so easy to work in any EU country due to language barriers though. All the young Irish people I know (family friends in their early to mid twenties, born in Ireland) have moved to London or on working holidays in Sydney, Melbourne, Toronto and Chicago. None have chosen an EU country.

Well I know plenty who have. Your circle is clearly different to mine. It’s an added bonus that Irish people can live and work in the Uk I must admit .