To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

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Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

You can sign up for them and they will send you invitations. You never know what the surveys are about until you are through the screening questions (age, sex, region, sometimes income, sometimes also ethnicity, children, ....).

Respectfully, you need to calm down a bit and stop twisting words to suit your narrative (which personally I think is a bit bonkers).

It’s not ‘supporting trans people’, trans people currently have the same rights as everyone else in the country. I won’t support any party that will allow males into women’s spaces, or will happily lie that a woman can have a penis. I suggest you read that bit again. If it were a trans issue women would be against trans men, and no one mentions them as everyone, including men, know they are women and at the bottom of the pile like the rest of us.

The above also doesn’t equate to suddenly voting Reform, which so many posters (you included) seem to arrive at. Aside though I don’t think any party is going to suddenly hoy you out the country because you aren’t white.
I’m politically homeless due to this nonsense.

If you think this stance is me making the country more dangerous for you then that’s very much a you problem.

Then you are naive if you don't think that. Plans have already been made and shared. You've already said you wont vote for a party who believes trans women are women, right?

So if the sole party who wanted to protect non-white people also believed Trans women are women, you would not vote for them. That means they'd have less support and be less likely to win an election. You would prioritise their stance on trans people over the welfare of non-white people. That is terrifying to a lot of people who aren't white.

No it doesn't.
Also its not just a man in a skirt in the toilet's with you.
Its the naked man in the changing rooms with out daughters and granddaughters, its the male rape crisis worker demanding you call him her and "reframe you trauma" and telling us that to get therapy we must "expect our bigotry to be challenged" (both quotes from the male former head of rape crisis Edinburgh) when we cant talk about our rape with men present or when we flinch at a man's voice and/or presence.
Its the male Dr's who admit under oath that they will ignore a patients request and limted concent by treating us when we asked for a female Dr because he identifies as a female (Dr Upton under oath)
Its the convicted male pedophiles in the woman's aid shelters (leonard/Katie Dawalski aka Alison Mackay and Leeds WA shelter)
Its the male rapists put in women's prisons (Adam Graham/Isla Brison)
Its the men taking womens scholarships and awards.
Its men in women's sports taking medals, prize money, team places and injuring women and girls.
So no its not just some bloke in a skirt in the next toilet.

"We'll take all the money we need off the rich and borrow the rest" really doesn't hack it as an economic policy.

Did it really work fine though?

Yes, income tax rates were comparitively high (although there was no wealth tax), but borrowing was continually reduced from the end of the war until the 1990s.

After the war, the UK public sector debt to GDP ratio was around 250%. This gradually fell between then and the 1990s to around 20%. Today, that figure has grown to about 94%.

But what has changed is how much money we spend as a country. Back in the 1970s, spending on the NHS account for around 4% of GDP. Today it is around 11%.

Back in the 1970s, around 6% of GDP was spent on social security and welfare payments. That figure is around 11% today.

Whatever 'post war consensus' there was certainly didn't include burgeoning public debt and such huge expenditure on the NHS.

I think you need to work on your comprehension, kindly.

As I said, it have much bigger and more prevalent issues as a Black woman having to deal with systemic racism. Is my kid's white teacher going to racially bully them, things like that. Not is that person over there one of the 1% of humans who are trans

I really don't. You wont vote for a party who supports trans people so in the event that the only parties who supprt racial equality also supprt trans people, which is likely, you either wouldnt vote or youd vote for a party who deprioritises racial equality. That shows you as a threat to me and mine.

What a lot of nonsense...

Do you think Reform (who are just a Pound land version of Trump & MAGA) or the Tories (who have done sod all to support women and girls while in power for 14 years) care about the rights and safety of women?

I voted Labour but can no longer support the party as long as Starmer & Reeves are in charge so I will indeed be voting Green because I do care about the environment, I have had enough of a tiny majority of people holding all the wealth in this country while everyone else struggles and because I want to see water, gas and electricity back in public ownership.

You don't worry about black women who are being denied places in sports because a man has taken that place? Yoh don't see where that leads? You don't think it's leading women, all women, being denied anything just for them, because men are now in the men's category and the women's?
You don't care that will mean no representation of women in other fields, such as scholarships, where they exist? That women would be excluded from anything that is intended for females because the Green Party would see men being treated as female because they think they are? And that black women will be denied too? It's not just a white issue. It's a woman's issue.

Well if you're going to listen to AI over the ONS and MOJ official statistics then theres no helping you.
Oh BTW if we were just taking the no of men with trans identities in prison and directly transferring it to all men who identify as women that would actually be 70-80% sex offenders rate.
What was done was to look at a population level as how many per million and is the excepted manor of looking at these statistics otherwise we would have no statistics on female sex offenders as there are so few (3 per million with some men included in that number because they are recorded as women due to a grc).

Really? No. It isnt a big issue for Black women. We dominate many of the sports that we play. We are far more likely to unfairly lose opportunities to white women than anyone else. White women have gained the most from affirmative action

So you won't care if a man pretending to be a woman takes the place? I've heard it all now.

I think it's more an inability to realise people genuinely do hold different views to you, so assuming anyone posting about them on an anonymous forum must be a 'bot'

I'm not sure about that particular graphic, but I am aware of somebody else who looked at those figures (they were initially very sceptical).

What they arrived at was very similar to that graphic although not so extreme. In the graphic above it shows that trans-identifying men are 4.8 times as likely to be in prison for a sex offence. When this other person tried to replicate the figures they got it to be 2.4 times as likely.

So, still much more likely to be in prison for a sex offence, but not as much as shown in that graphic:

https://scientificparentofatranskid.substack.com/p/fact-check-rates-of-sexual-offending

It's so unlikely that it isnt an immediate issue for me. Other issues that more commonly obstruct Black women in sport are much more of a concern. The reality is that a white female who is of inferior skill to a Black woman is more likely to get her place due to.syetemic racism than a trans identified male.

They get your information from the electoral register then phone you and ask if you'll take part, then ask you some demographic questions and if you fit the demographic they are looking for or haven't already got enough responses from they then go onto ask you the survey questions.
So much like jury service some poor buggers get called multiple times and others never do

Fine then. I've been put in my place. 🙄

That's not how polling works in this country. For example, YouGov has millions of people who they have already recruited. They will know their age, sex and postcode (and, to some degree, their background and beliefs if they have taken part in previous surveys).

For any survey they will select a subset that matches the demographic profile of the UK. For some surveys, there may be further restrictions eg parents of children under 18 or those who work in a particular area etc.

Hello there, Happy, I am hoping you can tell me what makes a man a transwoman, please, and how does it work? At what point does the man become a woman, and how does the process happen? Genuine q, I really want to understand.

Thank you.

So what? Candace Owens is black. The Green Party is deeply, extremely antisemitic to the point that their leaders are celebrating terrorism, calling Jews 'demonic' and sharing Middle Ages-era blood libel.

An abusive spouse will always have a reason for getting angry and punishing their partner. That doesn't mean the reasons are justified.

No we'd prioritise the rights of women over the demands of men
Any party that will lie about men being women will lie about wanting to protect non white people

So you dont believe all the reports that say there's no systemic racism in the UK?

That's not been my experience actually. The most progressive political parties in terms of racial equality in terms of action also vehemently support trans rights.

No because lots of research proves otherwise. Do you believe systemic racism is a myth?