To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

[CraftyTaupeBee]

Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

What political parties would that be?

"you wouldnt vote for a party who supports trans people/gender identity..."

and

"you would vote for a party who want to harm me and my family and against a (potentially a sole) party who would work to protect us."

I'm sorry but I really don't see how those two things are connected. Would you mind explaining a bit further?

You seem to be saying that only a party who supports transgender ideology "would work to protect us."? I really just do not see how those two things are connected. Unless, you identify as trans?

Ludicrous that with all that has happened the last few years, how much the planet is burning, the shit happening to women and others in the USA and how utterly dire things are across the world that Reform actually thinks transgender people in UK (who make up a tiny percentage of the population)are the priority.

Avoid, avoid, avoid!

Stripping women of their sex based rights isn’t progressive.

I’m with you in finding the disparities in how different ethnicities are treated to be completely unacceptable.

Again, pissing about pretending a man can be a woman is a complete distraction from that. Fiddling while Rome burns, basically.

I can’t take seriously any politician who thinks giving special men extra rights should take more focus than tackling disparities in treatment and outcome based on sex or ethnicity.

True, it’s regressive.

Am I reading this right?

Because racism exists we have to accept men in women's single sex spaces?

What a load of bollocks.

And who on earth has given Happyclapper the authority to speak on behalf of all black women?

"So if the sole party who wanted to protect non-white people also believed Trans women are women, you would not vote for them."

I'm sorry, but did you really just suggest that all the political parties in the UK, with the exception of the Greens (and maybe the SNP), are out to get non-white people removed from this country or otherwise treated less favourably?

It appears that you seem to have been taking on board a number of conspiracy theories.

Trans people are about 0.5 percent of the population. Cis men are about 50 pc. I know what's more of a threat to women by an order of magnitude.
Reform shill I'm guessing. People seem keen to vote for the very worst party just to block trans rights.
Ignorant and dangerous.

So far, it seems like the parties most concerned with racial equality are also supprt trans rights and inclusion. If someone is so against trans people that they would never vote for a party who alleges that trans women are women irrespective of their other policies, it tells me they would aid a party coming into power who agrees with them on trans issues, but are also against racial equality. They would aid them by voting for them and/or not voting against them.

Individuals who think that way are terrifying to me and I see them as threat.

I said "if the sole party". But frankly, we are getting to a stage where every major political party has a race issue of some kind and we are only moving further right

Trans (women who were talking about here) and cis men - both are men. They aren’t separate entities. Trans people have the same rights as everyone else. They aren’t entitled to additional rights that have the potential to harm women.

Against men in women’s spaces issue. I’ll continue to correct you.

I am speaking for myself as a Black woman. I see similar feelings shared in Black Mumsnetters often though if you ever have a look there.

And no, that isnt what is said. I said that if trans people are your biggest threat, you lead a blessed life.

That's fine, but how come such a small percentage of the population has succeeded in getting what they want at the expense of 51% of the population? It's not the percentage, it's the effect of that small percentage causing harm and a worsening of their situation to a huge number.

"White women have gained the most from affirmative action"

That seems an odd turn of phrase. It's a very American phrase.

US style affirmative action is generally illegal here in the UK.

But it kind of does though and it isn’t the same as saying “my black best friend” because he actually is Jewish. If you’re right then black people using the N word are being racist.

I hate these threads because they’re always so polarising and often outright offensive. Accusing a Jewish man of antisemitism because he calls out Zionism and genocide is batshit. Many Jews hate Zionism, hate Netanyahu and agree it was genocide. If October 7th happened and Israel didn’t retaliate by slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people, I’m sure the discussion would be incredibly different and on the Israeli side.

It doesn't matter. If you are so concerned about men in women's spaces that you'd aid a racist party into power because they agree with you, you are a danger to me and mine and I am terrified of you.

No i dont but I dont believe that the UK has a problem with it anymore.
If anything i think that we now have a problem with anti white racism in certain areas and circumstances in particular the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs specifically targeting of poor white girls and the system blaming the girls whilst protecting the men.

It does matter. Stop with the hyperbole, and the emotional blackmail.

Lol ok.

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Ya see why I am terrified now!

It isnt hyperbole. You said youd never vote for a party who believes trans women are women irrespective of their other policies. That tells me what I need to know.

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Yeah, it tells you I won’t vote for liars who hate women. HTH.

The loss of the word I have to define my sex is a threat to me as a woman.

When women means female people plus any man who identifies than we no longer can protect women as a sex class in ANY area in law.

That you see this as a trans issue rather than a women's rights issue is entirely on you.

I couldn't care less that some men perceive themselves as women, they can crack on.

I do care that female people are losing out as a result of these men and their enablers overreaching.

Many of us no longer vote.

Rather than being angry at us and seeing us as the red flag why don't you ask your sainted left wing parties why they hate women so much?

It would be so easy for the left to regain the votes of disenfranchised women like me.

But they won't because they are too misogynistic.