To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

[CraftyTaupeBee]

Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

Sadly you have fallen under the spell that they want you to and this is what makes them so very dangerous. Their wealth tax policy is a joke it will not raise a tenth of what they claim as they have made no allowance for “wealth flight” every western nation that has introduced a wealth tax has reversed it as it has raised less than it costs to implement and costs the economy overall. Perhaps it would have been wise to do some research on this before joining if it influenced your decision to become a member.

The same on water companies with many running at a loss and not paying dividends for over a decade increased taxes on losses can mean bigger tax rebates.

Remember expensive socialism can only work if capitalism pays for it, if you push capital away you are left with policies that are not funded what should happen then ?

Remember the state pays for nothing tax payers do !

Sadly I feel your post shows the way in which the Greens manage to capture well meaning but naive people.

Everyone who talks about the reality of Green policies isn’t voting Reform. Of course not. In any case the latter could benefit from a vote split.

Anyone who gives a shit about women’s rights, and not spaffing them away, will be getting jumpy about any growth in Green popularity. You don’t have to be a Reform voter for that, just someone with eyes and ears who’s prepared to co-ordinate them with their brain.

There are lots of us who are politically homeless at the moment and outraged that in 2026, pretty much all the major political parties are falling over themselves to throw women under the bus. It’s unsupportable.

Trying to smear those who care about the oppressed half of the population as ‘far right’ is not only a lie, it’s lazy. Give it more thought, and find out more about women’s concerns, you haven’t done enough research or thinking if you’re throwing around untrue accusations like that.

100% - look what happened to India. The US?

So no vitriol towards Reform or the Tories then- just Greens. Okaaaay.

Well their priorities for the working person include cutting migration. Having lived in a densely Muslim populated area, let me tell you I’ve seen the future of unmanaged immigration and it’s hell on earth! Working people class people are far more affected by immigration than the protected. Typically richer liberal left. Try sending your kind to school where no one’s speaking English (as happened to my son in one class) or they consider anyone none Muslim out of bounds, violence targeting white bus to intimidate, not being able to get into local schools because surrounding houses were bought by members of “the community” and cycled through family with each intake! Others inc:

• Tax Threshold Adjustments: Raising the income tax start point, such as increasing the threshold to £20,000 per year, which is designed to provide an extra ~£1,500 annually to low-income earners.
• Welfare-to-Work Incentives: Overhauling welfare by increasing standard allowances for those on Universal Credit while implementing stricter, personalized employment support (e.g., Pathways to Work) to move people from benefits into jobs.
• Strengthening Employment Rights:Policies aimed at banning zero-hours contracts in favor of contracts reflecting regular hours, ensuring statutory sick pay from the first day, and introducing protections against unfair dismissal from day one.
• Support for Families: Introducing tax breaks for married couples and addressing the cost of childcare.
• Skills and Apprenticeships: Reforming training, particularly for 16–34 year olds, and reducing taxes for businesses that undertake apprenticeships.
• Reducing Cost of Living: Proposals to scrap0 net-zero targets to cut energy bills, removing VAT on household energy, and reducing duties on fuel.
• Education Reform: Scrapping interest on student loans and encouraging two-year undergraduate courses to reduce debt and facilitate earlier entry into the workforce

Re Green iniatives

Lowering migration would reduce pressure on housing, energy and water Easter management. Less cars on the road, less destruction of countryside less shopping in if goods.

Banning foreign super trawlers from decimating our marine life.

Concentration on using farm land to farm, helping the countryside and lowering food miles.

thanks for asking

Eh? Are you ok?

This is a thread about the Green Party - the clue’s in the title. It isn’t a thread about Reform or the Tories. Why would you expect vitriol against them on this thread?

For the record, I am a centre left voter, and would never vote for either. In the past I have voted both Labour and Lib Dem, but more recently have spoiled my ballot, as I couldn’t in all conscience vote for either, as in both cases it would be a vote for Christmas from a Turkey. Not that that should matter to you, as presumably you want to debate the issues, not engage in silly tribalism?

I would say the most egregious example of men "being given access to women at their most vulnerable" would be a heterosexual relationship, wouldn't you?

Perhaps you should concentrate your ire on domestic abuse, sexual abuse within a relationship, the massive imbalance in labour when it comes to child rearing, the financial hit that women invariably take to have kids, the laughable approach to child maintenance in this country and the travesty of justice that is the family courts. All of which I, and many of my friends, have personally experienced, and if you're privileged enough not to have experienced, well then bully for you.

But I guess it's a lot less scary to pick on a marginalised, vulnerable bunch of people than really speak truth to power, isn't it.

Are you another person who struggles to walk and chew gum, and therefore assumes others struggle likewise?

What on earth has made you assume that those of us who don’t want to pretend men can magically become women - because it’s dangerous for us and strips us of our hard-won rights - aren’t also concerned about, and campaigning against, the issues you mention?

I mean, come on, you don’t think we should expect our politicians to tackle both? Why ever not?

What an idiotic comment. Women are at their most vulnerable with men who don’t respect them. Perhaps the greatest show of none- respect is denying the very existence of women, because as soon as you include men in that class the term “woman” becomes meaningless. As soon as you have to start including men statistics and therefore help for women is swayed by the needs of men, as soon as you have to start to include men on spaces designated women only you are by definition making women less protected. As soon as you start telling women to shut up and allow men to do what they want you are telling women their needs are submissive to men’s whims.

im guessing you have a Palestinian flag (and probably trying to find an Iranian one too)

It is possible to be concerned about ALL types of abuse of women at the same time. It is a shame that you claim to care about vawg but have a huge blind spot when a man claims a female ‘identity’.

Allowing any man to use a women’s space unchallenged is just a licence for abusive men to access women. Abusive ex partners can now just ‘identify’ as a woman and get access to women in dv shelters and therapy groups. A convicted sex offender did just that in one women’s shelter.

Do you understand that making female only spaces open to any men on the basis of a self declared ‘identity’ is exploited by men seeking to abuse women (or children)?

Take for example the male paedophile from Sussex who ‘identified as a woman’ and got placed in a women’s prison (with a mother and baby unit). The thing is, there was no reward signs of his ‘identity’ - his neighbours had no idea that he was not calling himself John any more. He wore a dress to court and that seems to be about the extent of his identity. As I understand he was later moved away from the women’s prison for sexual abuse of women in there.

The big question is, why do you dismiss the abuse of women if it’s by a specific group of men?

This thread is about the Green Party 🤷‍♀️

My question to you is what are your views on the Green policies like legalising drugs and prostitution, and against women’s rights, not to mention their deputy leader’s pro Islamist stance?

What do you think about their economic policies? Do they even have any that don’t involve taxing the rich until they leave? Have they even heard of the concept of economic growth?

The more I look at their policies, the more terrifying they get.

There are so many threads on Reform, at any time you could probably find one to join for the vitriol.

This is clearly about Green policies.

Exactly. Surely it’s obvious that centrist voters would be against both the extreme left and the extreme right?

I suspect it’s just a way of shutting down a very legitimate debate about female only safe spaces, which women are understandably concerned about. It doesn’t cease to be an important issue just because the extreme right wing has cynically hijacked it.

As a rough guide, I'm going by the thousands and thousands of posts on MN about the trans issue, to the point that they absolutely flooded the FWR topic and that those of us concerned about other issues affecting womens' rights no longer felt comfortable there and a new topic was created for them.

As opposed to the two threads I counted on the new ruling that the family courts will no longer assume that a man who abuses his children's mother should automatically get right of access. Each one of them with about 20 comments.

But yeah, go you if you're privileged enough that this issue has never affected you.

You'd guess wrong.

Meanwhile, I'm guessing that you're married to a man, that the relationship isn't exactly equal but you don't want to explore that because you're quite comfortable, so you're seeking a bogeyman to lash out at.

Also: do you genuinely believe that the majority of men in heterosexual relationships respect women? Really?! 😆

There are a lot of trans women married to cis women by the way. You could probably ask them how they fare.

(Clue: they call themselves trans widows)

I wouldn't limit yourself to counting threads on MN as a proxy for knowledge of what people are concerned or campaign about. The reality is you know very little, in actual fact, about what people do offline.

The concerted men's rights movement that we are seeing across the globe currently is one of the biggest threats to women we are dealing with right now, hence it is topical. It's getting a lot of threads partly because politicians are ignoring the issue. There are also unfortunately women who fall over themselves to centre men, while calling themselves feminists (!) who clearly don't understand the issues. Hence we shout louder.

'Go you'? You know nothing about me. I have personal experience of being raped and also physically and emotionally abused by a partner, including being hit in the head with a heavy object, resulting in a black eye and concussion. I'm not blind to the issues. I campaign against them as well. They play slightly differently though.

With VAWG, very few people would deny there's a problem. The issue is with getting action to change things (and I'm not denying the real issues there still are here).

With the push to let men appropriate women's rights if they say they are women, there's not yet even a consensus that this is the issue it patently is. So the fight is at an earlier stage - still at awareness building, for the most part - and this is why some of us are shouting very loudly. There's still so much further to go.

In terms of privilege, it sounds like you're not aware of the class issue inherent in the trans rights movement. You may not have released that it is working class and underprivileged women who bear the brunt of this push to give men more rights. Your average middle class woke woman who reads The Guardian and shouts 'trans women are women' usually does so from a position of enormous privilege. Easy to call for other women to lose their rights to not be trapped for 23 hours a day in a prison cell with a male rapist if you're certain that you and yours will never find yourself in prison because you couldn't afford to pay your TV licence. Easy not to care about feeling unsafe on a women's NHS ward because of the hulking man who says he's a woman in the bed next to you if you know you can pay to go private.

These women think they are being kind and progressive. In reality they're only being kind to men and hugely unkind to women, while regressively taking women's rights backwards. In reality they are selfishly polishing their own smug halos while selling their sisters down the river. Appalling.

Feel free to start your own threads on these issues. How many have you personally started to discuss this family courts issue?

The thing with your lack of traffic there is that not many will disagree so if that particular problem is sorted, there’s not going to be much traffic in that thread.

As opposed to the many men and sadly women who object to women having rights to single sex spaces (does that include you?) and argue quite nastily against rights over and over again on a feminist board.

How’s that ‘Chat’ board going btw? Now the awful women advocating for women’s rights have been shoved off to our own board, how much traffic are you getting on all of your other topics? Not much last time I looked.

I’m quite happy to have a look if you want to start your own threads, we will continue to try and ensure we keep the basics - like the word mother being kept exclusively for women. Losing that word would create all kinds of havoc for women in the Family Courts - does that not worry you?

Because it’s clear what the point of this thread in. Some Reform voters are getting a little jumpy re growing Green popularity.

Oh piss off with the "everyone who dislikes the Green Party must be a rattled Reform supporter" bullshit! No! Most of us are people in the centre who are terrified about the toxic polarisation of UK politics, with an appreciation of the history and the danger.

Delve more deeply into the manifesto of the Greens and think about whether their policies will actually work. Think. Have a look at the countries where they have had a bit of power e.g. Germany and assess how those societies and economies are fairing. Think about the realities of how life would be under a Green government, not just surface level "Oh everything will be FAIRER. Tax the rich!" Do you think "the rich" will hang around waiting to donate huge amounts of their hard earned cash to the government to use on fuck knows what? Do you think that the people who might end up in positions of power will have the experience, the expertise in order to run the country?

Have a look at their original aims, why they were founded and compare that to what they are all about today.

Same questions apply to the Reform voters of course.

And no I am not a Tory, nor have I ever voted for Labour. Everyone needs to wise the fuck up.

They 'flood' FWR because this board was created to put the here out of the way of all the other issues so that the 'proper' feminists didnt have to waste eye energy reading them.

Its like saying 'this kitchen is full of food and kitchen equipment'...erm yes because we invented a room to specifically prepare and cook food in, and put all the food and kitchen equipment in it.

Thank you. I find it terrifying the lack of thinking people do before they choose to vote Green. Do thru actually think these policies will work? ‘Tax the rich’, seriously, do you think that will increase or reduce the tax take and growth in this country?

I can’t believe people can be that stupid, that the standard of economic literacy in this country is so low that people think Green Party policies will work.

I think a fair few do think it’s viable. Perhaps they’ll vote to try it and we’ll see after all what the outcome is.

I don't know what has happened to politics in this country. All of the parties are crazy and not one of them really represents the normal hard working people of this country. Especially working women.

I suspect they don't. So many of them have benefitted from Capitalism ( either them or through their parents- private schools, inheritances, trust funds etc, the dreaded landlords) I suspect they are gambling on forever protesting against unfairness while quietly benefitting from privilege themselves.