To think the Green Party and esp its Deputy Leader is a real worry for women

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Over the last few months I have watched with incredulity the rise of the Green Party in the polls and wondered if I am alone in this. Mothin Ali their Deputy publicly celebrated Oct 7th (which he then apologised for) and has been seen this week at an event mourning the death of the Ayatollah. I am not anti any religion but his wife is fully covered in a niqab and I feel despite what others say to have a woman's face fully covered is a tool of oppression and not something I would want in a leader as a value set. I realise others may not feel this way and it is not meant to be offensive but the facts are there.And recently a female spin doctor for the Greens alleged that rape had not taken place on Oct 7th. To me the Green Party is reminiscent of what happened in 1979 and something that ultimately affected women's rights drastically (as well as any other rights of the gay community and others). The soft left (much like the Greens) allowed the strict islamic vote to take hold and look where they ended up. This really worries me for the country. Am I the only one? And why does the Green Party seem to be so anti west and anti white. I realise Zack Polanksi is gay and jewish and they are strange bedfellows but it feels like a trojan horse mindset and not something I want for my western liberal feminist girls. In fact it feels anti feminist?

I am no Badenoch fan, but this is a terrible thing to say.

@Another2Cats you might be right.

And yet you despise her for not being like you

You said Black and Asian politicians in parties who aren't Labour are green are ' full of self hatred' so basically saying her decision is not based on a decision making process. I disagree with Patel and Braverman but they have a right to just have horrible opinions without being ' full of self hatred' Braverman and Patel are from an East African background, and Badenoch is from a Nigerian background. Both those communities are more likely to vote Conservative. Black communities and Asian communities aren't even similar to each other in history and background, as you should know, so saying ' Black people's do you mean Nigerian, Somalian, Jamaican? and Asian people- do you mean Punjabi, Keralan, , Pakistani, Malaysian, Afghan, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian? Should they all think the same way despite having almost nothing in common with each other and wildly different backgrounds and experiences, or have some kind of reeducation programme imposed on them because they are ' full of self hatred'?

According to the 2021 Census, there are less than 300,000 Jews living in the UK (about 0.4%–0.5% of the total population), whereas the Muslim population is around 3.87 Million (6.5% of the total population).
Whose vote might have a bigger impact?

You make it sound as if the TV had just fallen into his lap.
How can a 20 year old think it’s okay to walk into a supermarket that’s being looted and just help himself to free stuff?

Doesn’t the right to family life primarily apply to spouses and young children?
Not necessarily to people over 18 and their parents?

That's absolutely NOT the context you used in your previous post - the 'mattering' then was not how appearance is used by others it was entirely what your own feelings were about appearance : "We are mostly ashamed of Kemi and pity a woman who is so full of self-hatred. Same goes for Patel and Braverman (sp?) in many S Asian communities. We are embarrassed that they look like us" .

Article 8 is what is know as a limited right. This means that governments can enact laws which protects their population but may impinge on the Article 8 rights of some such as having laws that say if you're a violent criminal you can be removed to your home country even if you have family here because the rights of the many (to be safe from violent criminals) are more important than the rights of the few (the violent criminals). In other words Article 8 rights end when they negatively effect the rights of others or the right of a sovereign nation to make their own laws.

It was absolutely the context I used it in. When a racist brings up someone like Kemi or Candice to support their own bigotry, it is embarrassing.

I'm sure plenty of you feel similar feelings about women who support trans rights.

You don't even have to be related to the people you consider family by the letter of the law.

Which law is this?

Some Asian communities are more likely to vote Tory. They arent a monolith. Some Black people are more likely to vote Tory due to their specific demographic, partly, where they come from and the culture of that region.

I know few Black Americans who live in the UK. All the ones I do know support the Conservative party. Not all can vote, though. But they are also all religious.

He stole the TV. During a period of lawless violence.

I remember that night well. I remember cowering away from my front windows, while hearing glass breaking at the end of my road as the shop windows were being broken, terrified that the rioters might come down our road and start breaking our windows, or trying to get in.

Nobody who was subject to that violence knew at the time how things were going to go. Those of us not involved felt incredibly vulnerable. There was a complete breakdown in law and order, and we didn't know if we might be at risk of physical harm. It certainly felt like we were in danger at the time.

Ordinary people did not feel safe to go out and be part of that. You say your nephew wasn't violent. Yet he felt comfortable enough to be out on the street while the violence was happening all around, and, instead of moving away, he got involved. To take that TV means he was right in the thick of it. Not concerned for his own safety at all, it seems. Comfortable with who he was with. This says something about him.

You talk about being scared. Well we were scared about that. We're scared about what happens to ordinary law-abiding people when anarchy and violence break out on the streets.

Rioting is always punished harshly by the courts, to set an example and deter others. This is classic FAFO and I'm afraid I don't have any sympathy for him. I don't want people like that around, they make things less safe for the rest of us.

This reminds me of the late 2010s when one of the more crazed Labour sub groups for the black community passed a conference motion claiming Jeremy Corbyn was "politically black".

Intriguingly, and I'll refer here to another thread on FWR (scary waters oooooh) on Your Party that had his faction of them campaign exclusively on mending trust between the left and the Muslim community. Not any other group, mind. https://www.themany.uk/ . You'd have thought they'd mention the disadvantages faced by the afro Caribbean community (again, things segment. The west African diaspora that Kemi hails from arefar more likely to be economically successful and climb the class ladder), but nope. That community aren't as solidly reliable for votes.

It was the case in say the 60s that if you were non white you'd be Labour and de facto left wing. A lot still think like that, as demonstrated above.

It's fascinating how some people think a nominal left wing political affiliation is somehow integral to your identity as a non white person. Solidarity. Or maybe forced teaming

Human rights 1998

He was coming back from work. If you've seen the CCTV from that footage, you will see people from all walks of life doing the same thing. He should have been jailed. He shouldn't have been deported. It wasn't a violent crime. They wanted to make an example so they did. A few people in his position appealed and got back to the UK within a year or 2. He opted not to bother.

I don't agree that he shouldn't have been deported.

He committed an anti-social crime. Why would we want people like that as part of our society?

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here? Are you saying it didn't happen or couldn't happen? If so why would Muslim voters be more able to achieve it?

The constituency was Bury south, it was a much closer vote than G&D, and given the events at the time I can understand why Jewish people didn't want to vote Labour. Can you imagine if Labour and the media had treated that result the same way as the G&D one?

The point is communities (and individuals) have always statistically voted in line with the party who best supports their interests, but Reform lose to the Greens (when the only other option given the area was going to be a very unpopular labour) and suddenly there is a big conspiracy.

Oh wow! Talk about negative generalisation of a whole group of people based on the colour of their skin.

There’s a word for that..

I am slightly intrigued by your claim about vegans - what negative comparison to black women do they often make?

Maybe that’s because it clearly wasn’t a ‘nationwide conspiracy’ - as you point out, it was one disgruntled MP in one constituency and the number of Jewish people in the UK is tiny.

Compare that to a Muslim population of 4 million plus who are growing rapidly, both from high birth rate and immigration and are extremely motivated to vote. They gave Labour 3 million votes in the 2019 election but are now turning away. Labour won its recent landslide with a total of 10 million votes. No wonder Labour bend over backwards for them.

Yet again, it’s not ‘racist’ to talk about followers of a religion.

YANBU OP. Although I see the conversation has moved on.

This.

Most people are rightly concerned about the economy, utility bills, the environment and job not about trans people who in majority just want to get on with their life in peace.

Trans people literally have zero negative impact on my day to day life.

I have suffered sexual assault and violence in my life and it always was at the hand of cis men.

Wow!! Why in earth would you be ashamed of amazing women like Kemi, Suella etc? Kemi is so sensible, super intelligent and laser sharp. She has risen to the top in a male dominated arena and sounds like a thoroughly good person.

Which of her views do think show ‘self hatred’?

Who is the ‘we’ you claim are ashamed of Kemi and what could she do to make you proud of her?

That's literally what I said? You are claiming ' Black people are ashamed of Kemi Badenoch'- so Black people who vote Conservative are ashamed a Black woman is leader of their party?

That's fine, but how come we are making so many huge accommodations for such a tiny percentage of the population? How come various organizations are changing language for that tiny minority for example? Why does a small percentage take precedence over women who want dignity in changing rooms? You might not see them as a threat but I, for one, wouldn't stand and strip down to my underwear in front of any male colleague, no matter how they identify. And I worked with some very pleasant men. Why do magazines television programmes etc make such a fuss of trans people, and seem to insert them into everything? If it was proportional, we wouldn't see them.
Just for the record, I too have been sexually assaulted, I don't want any men in female spaces, whether wearing a dress or typical male clothing. Because I don't know what they are thinking.