Mass grave prepared for the school girl massacre, 165 souls

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For a nation to say they care about women and girl rights and liberation, and then to bomb a school wtf?!
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Thank you @Wellthisisdifficult for that explanation. It is a confusing thing to understand but also quite simple the way you put it.

I agree that Israel were targeting Hamas (who attacked them first) & not the Palestinian people. Which is not to deny that many thousands of Palestinian people got killed in the war and many of them completely innocent of any wrongdoing of course.

Ultimately, international courts will make a ruling in years to come on the question of genocide but I think by then it will be clearer that Israel went to war with the intention of destroying Hamas and do not have genocidal intentions towards ordinary citizens of Gaza. From whom they suffered a very real threat, undeniable because of 7/10/23.

No, not would you have liked them Not to do. What would you have liked them to do.

What do you mean ‘people like me’

I mean people like you who call it "Israel's war" when it is very clearly a joint military campaign between the US & Israel.

Oh give over would you. I don’t agree with what Hamas did it was a disgrace. I’m not defending Hamas either and Israel were right to retaliate. But Israel have gone way over board and committed war crimes, some would say genocide . I don’t agree with that.

You don't seem to be able to answer the question of what Israel should have done?

You only comment on what they shouldn't have done.

I’d imagine Israel will be found guilty of many war crimes in the future regardless of what their intention was to begin with

So why don’t you answer the question, what should Israel have done?

So you think it was fine to starve citizens and Stop all aid coming through then yeh ? Funny everyone seems to be ignoring that

I don’t have to answer your questions on demand about what they should do because it’s irrelevant to my point . I don’t agree with starving innocent people and stopping aid regardless of what they should or shouldn’t have done. Can you not get that into your head ?

It is quite possible that certain IDF soldiers or members of the Israel government could be found guilty of war crimes, I agree.

Genocide is a different thing though to war crimes.

In my opinion they will be found guilty of genocide as well. But clearly the world is divided on that as well. We will see I guess in the future .

Although you would be correct if you had said that Bibi and the Israel lobby in the US have a massive influence over the US government, far too much influence and very bad influence. Saying that Bibi controls DJT would be a short hand way of saying this.

Indeed!

I don't know what you mean by 'most agree that Israel was targetting Hamas'.
Most Israelis clearly agree with that statement. Millions of others do not. There are multiple, well documented accounts of the IDF deliberately targetting civilians. The difference is that some are happy to turn a blind eye and ignore it or justify it. Personally, I find that despicable.

That's one example of the Israelis deliberately targetting civilians. I'm sure one of the apologists will be along soon to justify it though.

So, basically you don’t have an answer on how Israel should have responded in a different way? Is that because that was the only realistic way they could have responded?

None of us had enough information about the aid situation. Whilst IMPARTIAL aid organisations should be allowed into war zones under the Geneva Convention, it is also allowable to halt such aid for specific security reasons (rather than arbitrarily starve a population) . None of us have enough detail to understand if this criteria has been met and will no doubt be investigated, as it should be. The fact aid was restarted during ceasefires indicates that Israel did consider it had security concerns around the aid, but it’s complex and none of us are in a position to conclude.

Terrible things happen in wars, Many women and children died in the allied bombing of German held territory during WW2. Every death in war of innocent civilians and soliders is a tragedy. But can I see the necessity for the greater good? Yes, it was necessary to stop the Nazis. Maybe if there had been less appeasers in the beginning the number of deaths would have been significantly reduced

Can you prove that they were specifically targeting civilians? Because that would most likely breach the Geneva Convention. If you have categoric proof that this is the case and that the aid wasn’t stopped on specific security concerns (allowed under the GC) you should present your evidence to the relevant authorities (although, to be in a position to have such information you’re probably breaching some confidentiality clause in your employment/office contract by posting it on here)

It’s not relevant to my point at all. My point was that they shouldn’t have starved and targeted citizens and blocked aid

I knew that one of the apologists would be along shortly.
Personally, I have not been in Gaza or Israel recently. I have seen multiple reports from people who have been though eg doctors working in Gaza.
Bibi is already wanted by the ICC for war crimes and crimes against humanity btw.

I mean people like you who call it "Israel's war" when it is very clearly a joint military campaign between the US & Israel

Rubio did say Israel was going to go to war with Iran and the USA joined as it thought Iran would attack the USA as part of retaliation. It does suggest it was Israel championing it. Also Bibi said recently that he’s been waiting decades for it - and there’s lots of clips of him pushing this for decades. Whereas Trump and his cabinet had been against attacking Iran recently. Tulsi even sold t-shirts saying don’t attack Iran.
While both sides are involved I think it’s fair to see it more as Israel’s war. Just like Iraq was more the US’s war than it was the UK’s.

No matter what, the massacre of innocent schoolgirls cannot be justified. The truth will not be revealed. We are obtaining edited information through the media, and we make judgments based on skillfully manipulated media narratives and the prejudices we already hold. I refuse to trust the majority and will not make any hasty conclusions. Now, the only thing I can rely on is my own judgment.

Ah sorry, you’re right, my mistake. I should have put “most people who can think critically…” thanks for pointing this out.

Individual actions of soldiers do not reflect the intentions of the government. Throughout history, unfortunately every war sees soldiers acting out of line, its part of the human condition unfortunately. Luckily Israel seems to be trying to deal with such situations https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqldpyn5ng6o

You might be able to help me out, in the interest of balance I’ve been looking for details on how Hamas have dealt with individuals who tortured and raped those on both Oct 7 and those it kidnapped. I’m sure you would agree that they should also have been held to account by their seniors???

Security concerns indeed. Such a pathetic excuse

So what is “the truth” if it’s not going to be revealed, how do you know what “the truth” is? Do you have some intelligence? Do you work for the security services?

The drafters of the Geneva Convention took such matters seriously enough to include it, so it’s obviously not a “pathetic excuse” but a very real threat. If you have an issue with the drafting of international law, you might want to discuss the matter with those who make it (you might want to have more solid grounds than it’s a “pathetic excuse” though).

Can you honestly not see allowing aid trucks to flow through from countries hostile to your existence might be a bit of a worry on the security front???