The impossible has happened - Trump has made me a Keir Starmer supporter!

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'This is not the age of churchill'

Thank God. Fucking orange twat.

"nobody" is not correct.

Sadly.

Yep.

Polling clearly shows a lack of appetite across all parties to go to war.

Various international media outlets.

Yes but support is limited though - 15% of Tories, 24% of Reform.

Muslims make up only 6% of the population. Why would Starmer decide policy purely on the basis of not upsetting them? Their vote alone won't make or break his election chances.

AP News and the Times covered it yesterday.

It is to be hoped that Islamophobes are also a small proportion.

Afraid to upset Muslim voters?

The Keir Starmer who said Israel should have the right to defend itself, and preferred to see 10 of his own frontbenchers resign because he wouldn't support the SNP motion calling for an immediate ceasefire?

That Keir Starmer?

The Keir Starmer who refused a blanket ban on arms to Israel, despite thousands of people regularly marching in the streets demanding this?

That Keir Starmer?

Or the fictional Keir Starmer that lives in your head @Hyacinthbucketsgarden ?

It did at Gorton which had been a safe Labour seat for 100 years !

Sometimes when your catchphrase is so blatantly contradicted by the facts around you, you do have to start asking where that catchphrase came from....

Thank you for another great example, @Hyacinthbucketsgarden , of Starmer not basing policy on trying to appeal to Muslim voters.

Got any more?

If Muslim voters are the only reason we aren't currently joining America in an ill fated illegal war in the Middle East then I guess yay for them. Can the all powerful Muslim voting block turn their attention to the state of the NHS next please?

The fictional Keir Starmer who won't proscribe the IRG ?

The British Election Study found that 80 per cent of Muslims voted for the Labour Party at the 2019 general election, but this changed radically in 2024.
In seats where Muslims made up at least a tenth of the population, Labour suffered a 12 percentage point drop between 2019 and 2024. That compared to a 1.6 percentage point increase in its vote share nationally.

This key group for Labour turned towards pro-Gaza candidates because of the Government’s support for Israel after it went to war with Hamas in 2023. The proscription of Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation has only accelerated this electoral migration.

The Gorton and Denton by-election on Thursday – in a constituency where 28 per cent of the population is Muslim – gave No 10 further cause for concern. The Green Party won after being accused of running a cynical “sectarian” campaign by urging voters in the Manchester suburb to “punish” Labour for Gaza.

Also see here - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-keir-starmer-muslim-gaza-israel-palestine-b2540759.html

What do you mean by an "Islamaphobe" ?

As I have repeatedly shown through the You Gov polling there is little support for the UK to go to war with Iran across ALL voting groups.

That's probably because we have very little to actually go to war with 🙄

You DO have another example for me!

This key group for Labour turned towards pro-Gaza candidates because of the Government’s support for Israel after it went to war with Hamas in 2023. The proscription of Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation has only accelerated this electoral migration...

...And yet this Labour govt did it anyway.

Cheers, @Hyacinthbucketsgarden ! Keep 'em coming!

In seats where Muslims made up at least a tenth of the population, Labour suffered a 12 percentage point drop between 2019 and 2024. That compared to a 1.6 percentage point increase in its vote share nationally

Which a) proves the point that Labour is not deciding policy purely on whether Muslim voters will approve or not ; and

b) proves the point that the votes of Muslim people aren't a deciding factor in winning a GE. Labour didn't win in 2019 when it had a higher degree of support amongst Muslim voters. It did win in 2024 despite that support dropping away.

Or the majority of people are opposed to going to war

People dont want to follow Trump blindly.
He's unreliable, he's insulted our Armed Forces, he's insulted NATO troops, he's threatened Greenland/Denmark, he favours Putin and indeed has lowered sanction on Russia so they can profit from his war (which will add pressure to Ukraine and heightens risk levels in Europe), he invaded Venezuela promised regime change and put in a US patsy to govern but helped himself to their oil.

There will be a humanitarian crisis which Europe yet again will have to absorb the cost of. And the Trump train will roll on to Greenland and Cuba and blame Europe for the fall out.

So why was Labour getting their knickers in a twist over Gorton?

More info here -https://theconversation.com/labours-muslim-vote-what-the-data-so-far-says-about-the-election-risk-of-keir-starmers-gaza-position-225118

What has G&D have to do with Trump going to war?

Other than derailing a thread?

derailing is the point.

there isn’t UK support to announce war on Iran.

Someone mentioned "Islamaphobes" upthread.

We still haven't had a definition of that, from that poster 🤔